12/31/07 Hi,
Mark here: Thank you Roel. I am in the process of making the site less, er, unfriendly.
12/1/07
hey. im atheist too and i just told my mum and dad and now they wont leave
me alone about it. my mum pulled out her bible and was like" what is this
all just a bunch of bullshit to you" and my dad has been trying to get me
in church an every body at school thinks im crazy and worship the devil and
im not quite sure what to do. i want to stand my ground and tell my parents
to leave me alone and ive already told the dudes at school to shutup that
there's nothing wrong with me.it sucks that people think your wrong if your
not the same. im also a pacifist which doesnt help either. think you could
help me figure out what to do?
-shakes.
Mark here: It sounds like you're already on the right road: you are thinking for yourself. That skill is worth whatever crap other's throw your way. You are safe from religious hucksters and bullshit artists. Keep up the good work.
10/31/07
How do you do it? I just browsed a bunch of
pissed off bible thumping emails to you followed by your
response. I'm amazed how you figuratively smile
through this ridiculous shit. You're having fun, aren't you?
Well somehow a missionary holy-roller got wind
of my input into this spooky brainwashing ancient religious
stuff, and I had more Jesus loves me crap dealt
out than I could handle. I had to break it off. But you: You seem to
eat this stuff up.
I'm a retired old buck now just having a
little fun with this unbelievable medium while waiting for the grim
reaper to harvest my nasty ass. But owing to my
professional career in the Science of Telephony where
logic is boss, my brain can't adjust to buy into
spooky religions. And I've yet to hear any logical argument
to support this believe or go to hell stuff. As
a matter off logic, there's not even any reason for argument.
Johnny Putt
10/12/07 Mark,
"WWJD"
9/24/07
Hey Mark
I stumbled onto your website while perusing for anti-church of christ info
I must say you have hit the nail on the head so to speak.
BUT Since Ignorance, greed, and hypocrisy rule the Christian faith, I
would not waste time praying to their deity for any change.......
But for the good of Mankind , Keep up the good work and I will look more at
your website
THANKS
Jaret
8/24/07
Great Great Site. I'll email you at later date. Too much to say.
But for now if you don't know about this site, put it up on yours:
Later
Bobby
7/5/07 Came across your page while looking up Jonestown….
Do check out www.richarddawkins.net
and of course spread the info. Yours, Gerrie Ferguson.
5/27/07
Long time viewer, firt time e-mailer. Love the website.
You know what I have noticed around Southern California? More and more
people are putting their church affiliation on the back of their cars in the
form of stickers. Why?
Do i care what church you go to? Do members of the same church pull up,
honk, and give each other a thumbs up?
No. It seems this is more of an image issue than anything. I think these
stickers, at the most basic level, say the occupants of the vehicle go to a
"better" church. Its not an invite for the driver behind to attend their
church. Just a note to tell you that THEY go there and you dont. And of
course, the idea that you are better than someone else or that everyone else
is wrong, leads us to the millions of lives lost over religion in the last
3000 years.
Just my thoughts, and i'm sicking of seeing the stickers.
Matt
Mark here: I think I might agree with you. It seems to be more of a pride thing. If all they cared about was Jesus, then that's what would be on the car. But oft times what I see is a license plate frame that only says "SADDLEBACK CHURCH". Not a word about Jesus etc. I guess that says what their priority is.
5/16/07
Mark,
I am a devout ( yet deeply flawed Christian). I
can't tell you how helpful your studies have been to me. I am married to a
preterist and I do not agree with the doctrine but your words will prove
most helpful on alot of levels.
What most impresses me is that an atheist could
provide something so helpful to me! I had to just skim over some of the more
insulting parts...there was no offense taken though.
I was baptized at age 7, and afterward as I
walked down the middle aisle of the church building, (it had emptied out), I
heard what sounded like thousands of angels singing. The sound only lasted
about 10 seconds. I have always been 4JC. God Bless You, Brother.
Debbie
Mark here: Hi Debbie. Thanks for the email. Yeah, I gotta work at being nicer (that's what my significant other tells me). So sorry if I hurt your feelings any. And good luck with the Preterist (you'll need it!)
4/25/07
jc is not for me either. I thought you were
based in Price Utah? anyway keep up the works, not that you'll be saved or
anything LOL :) Christianity is a bunch of BULL SHIT!
I support your web site indeed!
3/8/2007 Hey Mark, Thanks for writing Ellie. Sorry for the ridiculous time in getting back to you. Enjoyed your email, and hope some of my stuff comes in handy. I like your friend's tactic- good one. --Mark
In a message dated 2/26/2007 3:12:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
writes:
Mark:
Hi Jeff;
I was in the non-instrumental Church of Christ for about 20 years. As you
know, they are the TRUE church, unlike all the OTHER churches that make the
same claim :)
Good luck in your sermon, and, as I tell all my Christian friends, and you
may pass this on to your flock:
STUDY YOUR BIBLE. Don't just read it- you wouldn't "read" a math textbook,
would you? Study it and learn it inside and out.
And why would I, an Atheist, say such a thing? Because Biblestudy is what
eventually got me out of Christianity.
Yours NOT in him,
--Mark S.
Subject: Religion Date: 1/12/2006 3:54:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: --- Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com Hi Mark, I spent quite some time on your website, a very informative site, also had some good laughs. You have quite a sense of humour. What I can't understand is how come you haven't been lynched yet? You must realise you are dealing with myriads of brainwashed half wits? It's quite clear the Christian bunch (and myself for this matter), started the brainwashing process the second school began, drawing pictures of Noah's ark etc. The guys that drowned were the bad guys and when you are 6 years old that's ok. As if this was not enough, these suckers took it another step further when they thought they could think for themselves, they took Christianity to the next level of stupidity and got born again or got suckered into joining a church which promised all kinds of crap, everlasting life etc. Anyway Just thought I'd let you know I support your logic 100%. If I was you I'd watch my back, there are plenty of loonies out there. Regards, M--- D----- (quite ironical my surname)
Subject: greetings, sir Date: 1/8/2006 7:45:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com Hello, Mr. smith. I am an avid reader of your fantastic site and I'd like to share this article with you: http://us.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/04/italy.jesus.reut/index.html What is your take regarding this? Who do you think might win? Thank you, and good day sir. - Joseph
Subject: Achhhh no Date: 1/5/2006 7:06:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com
You are gonna be going to hell where you will be surrounded by Creationist T-Rex's who will nibble at you night and day until you have no skin left at all! Damn good work Matt ------------------- http://www.ihategod.net
Hey Matt;
Subject: Brilliant, informative website Date: 1/3/2006 6:59:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: ric Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Was referred to your website by someone who swears by it, and apart from some
places where bush or politics gets mentioned (I don't vote for idiots so I don't
read about them or talk about them. bad view I suppose but better than having to
vote for someone you'd rather see crushed by a tractor), your website is beyond
merely good reading. It's highly informative, you back up every point you make
and you keep your points concise (unlike the Bible?).
Subject: Thanks Mark Date: 12/21/2005 8:45:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Mark,
Mark here: Hey Roger;
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad to be of service, and feel free to print
out anything in the site you may find useful. I especially recommend
printing out the website business cards and sbrading the "seed" around.
I try to come up with arguments and reasoning the xtians can't answer. It
makes me sad that it isn't that hard to do, when I remember I spent 20 years
as a Christian who was all imbrssed with its "logic".
Subject: Some advice. Date: 12/12/2005 10:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Mark,
As a recent de-convert, what do you suggest for
getting completely rid of the religious brainwashing? Initially (and perhaps
you went through this too), there is still an ingrained fear of hell... does
time make it go away?
Mark here} I recommend you study like hell, to give yourself a firm foundation showing you how foundationless Christianity really is. You need to have the facts in your head to resist any lingering emotional ties that might suck you back in. It also helps when you see how stupid and empty the arguments are that are used by the great theologians- the emperor really doesn't "have any clothes on".
Hello Mark I've enjoyed your site for many years now, and think it's a very practical way to deprogram oneself from religious flapdoodle. (Flapdoodle is in most dictionaries by the way) Thanks for all the excellent material exposing the Bible and Biblegod. Here's what I have to say: Fear of the Unknown (and certainly death is the great unknown) is the primal motivator in religion. Those who clue into this learn to manipulate others through fear of punishment and promise of reward. Yes, it is in fact THAT childishly simple. "Believe this nonsense and you'll go to heaven when you die, reject this flapdoodle and you will burn in hell!" (Or be destroyed in Armageddon, or wind up in a hell-bardo, or be reincarnated as a sex slave in Buggerland) Priests and ministers are quite good at this. Scare the beejesus out of them because people love being scared if the threat is not immediate. In other words, the danger is not real, like enjoying a roller coaster ride or a spooky movie. It isn't a real threat, we're safe, we aren't cut and bleeding, so we can relax and enjoy the scary show. We love being scared because we arent in danger. Then, dangle the Big Carrot in the Sky in front of them. In the JW''s this is the paradise earth. In mainstream Christianity it's Heaven. In Buddhism it's the extinction of selfish desire and the sense of a separate self. So many people here threw off the chains of bondage around their minds and spirits, stepped into Freedom, only to become fearful and uncertain of all that Freedom and promptly scurried into another form of bondage. Another form of Christianity, where the threat is even worse than in Jehovahland: hellfire and eternal damnation. I too did this and was a mainstream Christian for 15 years. My brain FINALLY kicked in and I bailed out. The fact is, though, that Jehovah Madness was still in me when I left the JW's. I still believed in the Bible, that I am a sinner in need of "salvation" etc. So naturally I hooked up with more religious lunacy. I was AFRAID of DEATH, UNCERTAIN. I feared life without my Invisible Friend Mister God. I feared death without my Invisible Fiend...er, Friend. FEAR! (Oh no! Here comes Mister Monster! ) PUNISHMENT! (OOOOO them nasty ol' bad guys are gonna GET it! Heah cum de JUDGE!) REWARD! (All this! And heaven when I die!) EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS WITHOUT PROOF! (There was a Talking Snake and a Magic Tree in the middle of an Enchanted Garden, then Mister Jesus got up from his deader place and he flew off into the sky and rode a cloud to Glory, and if you believe in that with all your heart..close your eyes and repeat it after me and we can all save Tinkerbell..I belive I believe I believe...Mister God will set you up in a Mansion in the Sky with streets of Gold!) APPEALS TO THE CHILD IN ALL OF US! (You hafta become as a gullible child sans critical thinking skills to be born again! "Unless a man be converted and become as a child he shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven") EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS W R O N G! (Yes the world LOOKS like a closed system, but really, axeheads float and all sorts of miraculous things happen. I heard about a guy who knew this gal whose second cousins's brother was in the service with a dude whose grandmother knew a bracher whose sainted grandfather actually shook the hand of a guy who knew someone who had heard of someone raised from the dead! So see, the world ISN'T a closed system, even though you don't see any of this stuff happening! The world is really invaded EVERYDAY by Things From Beyond) Whatever. Peeps gonna do what peeps gonna do. Yours NOT in Joe Hovah, Nate
Subject: My Amazon.com Review of "Rescuing the Bible From
Fundamentalism"
This book is the CURE for the ignorant infuriating boobs who want to enforce
their delusional "reality" on the rest of us, but are too d***** cowardly,
stupid, and lazy to actually study anything more difficult than a comic book or
a magazine. Simple, direct, and brief, this marvelous little volume delivers
broadside after broadside to the fundamentalist fantasies about the Bible. It
takes the dogma of an "infallible bible" and explodes it into the stinking
little pieces of superstitious flapdoodle that it really is.
This is some of the most intelligent and hard core anti-bibiliean
Subject: (no subject)
Dear Mark,
I read just about everything on your website. I
actually thought it was quite interesting.
I am not a religious person, and that is because
of the fact that I can't find answers to the questions I want. I can't
stand to know that there is an invisible creature out there that controls
the earth and 'supposedly' wants us to believe in him when he won't even
show his face. Tell me the truth Mark, if all the sudden he showed himself
and you knew it was actually God, wouldn't you start to believe? I don't
believe in Christ nor do I believe in him. To tell you the truth, I believe
that the earth was here all along, but I can't explain nor understand how
man appeared.
I go to church every Sunday, I go to church
because I am looking for answers, but I know that I am not going to find
them. The other reason I go is because that is where some of my best
friends are.
Here are some of the questions I want to know
the answers to:
Try to answer those questions. You can't, and
that is the point. The only thing people can say is that christianity is
not true or that you just have to have Faith. But how do you have Faith?
When I was little, I believed so much in Santa
Clause, the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy, etc. I don't think that is a
good thing though, to tell your kids all of this. Because they will get
sucked into something that is not true. If God were real, then why doesn't
he deliver the brsents. That is what Christmas is all about....CHRIST!
Isn't it? Why do your parents have to buy the brsents then? Why do you
have to make believe something in the first place. Isn't lying wrong?
I believed in God when I was little. I admit
it? Every night before I went to bed, I would pray to him. But that all
changed. It changed because he never answered me, and I never received
results! That was when I stopped going to church. I didn't go for a couple
of years, until my friend invited me one Sunday.
But all I was trying to tell you is that there
is no way to combrhend, you can't find out the answers until you die. And
after you die, you will know for sure whether there is a God or not. But, I
personally don't understand why Christians have such a problem with
Atheists. Some of my friends are Atheists. They are just exbrssing
Amendment 1. It's not a sin after all.
Please, take into consideration what I said.....
Julia
Holy fuck, I love your site! My favorite part isn't anything textual,
Mark........
THANK YOU ..........
I have been seeking for the past 30 years
or so
for a definitive text that would confirm my
findings
in my study of the Attrocities of the Bible god
Thank you for putting your views in the
form
and Language that I would have wrote Myself !
Serendipity............ I started this evening in
the Quest
of finding just such a site as your's !
More Later ~
D
Mark,
As a former heavily committed christian of 24 years (boy does it suck to lose all those years) I'd like you to know that unless you've personally been in religious bondage - you have NO idea how truly brainwashed the religious are, I've "experienced" it first hand. What saved me from a life of guilt & fear was a sincere desire to believe what can be tested objectively as true....When I mustered the courage to ACTUALLY test my own religion, I had no choice but to renounce christianity as a myth - The evidence demanded it! So now I'm an Atheist, the most despised, rebrhensible creature to the theistically superstitious. I live a life free from guilt & fear now, one where I no longer have myriads of unanswerable questions about Biblegod, his inconsistencies, wicked judgments, and HATE for mankind....I love your web site. Hugh Brennan
Subject: Your Site
More from D.M. .... 11/30/05
Below is an e-mail I sent to my wife's friend's husband today. I thought you
might enjoy it. I'll forward a response if I get one.
More from D.M. .... 12/2/05
Mark:
Thanks dude! I gotta tell ya, I wrote that
e-mail quickly, but had it not been for spending the time I have on your
site recently, it wouldn't have been as clear. Everything does reflect my
personal thoughts, but your influence is evident in much of the terminology
used.
I too am very curious to see if he will
respond. If he does, it will be AFTER he has shared it with his pastors and
fairy tale group members and being told how to respond with "stock"
arguments. BRING IT ON! In all likelihood, this will conclude his weekly
stalking. This was prompted by his calling AGAIN on Tuesday night, in a
very phony, forced upbeat voice: "Just checking to see if you'll come to
Bible Study!" Me: "Absolutely not." "Uh...well..." Me again: " Was that
it?" "Uh...yeah, I guess...you'll come around in your own time." Me:
"Uh-huh." (click)
If there is a response, I'll share it with
you as well as my responses to it.
Thanks again.
More from D.M. .... 12/5/05. He responds to an email from his Christian friend. I've added a few comments of my own.
Mark here} You are exactly right here. Were it not
for the chance of getting "fresh meat" this group wouldn't give a rat's ass
about you. They see you at this point as a potential convert, another notch
to be gained in their Christian vs Satan gunbattle.
Mark here} If he's unable to answer
your Bible questions, then why in the hell is he still a Christian???
That's like someone who's ingesting poison unable to answer your points
about what he's eating is killing him, BUT HE KEEPS ON EATING ANYWAY.
Mark here} But why? Without Jesus rammed up your
ass, even if you were morally perfect the rest of your life, you'll burn
forever in hell. So why would he care if you were moral or not??? And by the
way, yes, he was being arrogant.
Mark here} I've got a whole page on my web site
which proves that, indeed, Christianity does NOT make people any better. If
anything, it makes them worse! These are the statistical facts garnered each
and every time a study has been conducted. Here's a link to the page:
Mark here} This is horseshit. He's just being
polite. As a former Christian, I know exactly what he's doing. He knows
you are going straight to hell- do not pass go, do not collect $200. But
he also knows it would hurt your feelings to come out and bluntly tell
you. So he's passing the buck to his god.
Mark here} WHAT "good and moral people"??? The
Bible says that even our BEST behavior is nothing but filthy rags. Besides,
the facts fly in the face of his thinking that xtians are better people than
Atheists. It's the exact opposite, by every objective verifiable standard
out there. If he wants to be around "good and moral people", he needs to
hang around more Atheists, not xtians.
The scary part is this: these "good and moral"
Christians would just as quickly slit your throat, if that's what they
thought their Biblegod commanded them to do. In fact, they would slit
everyone's throat in a 50 mile radius and praise god for it, if that little
voice inside their heads said that's how to make Biblegod happy. They don't
really HAVE a morality- they have blind obedience.
Dillion, Montana
>Mark,
Subject: Hey Hey,
Subject: Inquiry regarding web page. Dear Mark,
Justin 10-6-05 Mark, Thanks again for doing this. My teacher wanted me to remind you that this is going in a school newspaper, so please keep it clean. What is your opinion on the current condition of the educational system in the U.S.?
What is your opinion on the Dover trial currently going on in Pennsylvania?
What is your opinion on Intelligent Design?
Which side do you think the government should take in this?
Who do you think will eventually win in this, Evolutionists or Creationism?
Why and when did you convert to Atheism?
Who do you admire the most?
Once again, keep it clean. PLEASE!!! If it gets to dirty, I'll probably get jumped on my home from school! Can't think of a snappy saying to go out on, Justin Mark here} Justin, I hope that helps out. And gosh gee willikers, it sure was hard keeping my writing safe for all the Ned Flanders out there!
Subject: da Bible Mark,
Subject: I was dismayed at some of the responses to you..
Mark,
I went looking through all of your negative email that you have gotten on
your site last night. While I can understand that Christians take offense to
some of the things you state on your site, this is no reason to call you a
dumb fuck or to get irrate at you for not keeping quiet about your problems
towards Christianity and such. I couldn't believe that you are hearing the
same types of things that I get on my website from Mormon scholars:
That's not even half of the statements about me over the years (since 1999)
from LDS Scholars. I haven't shared allot because they whine about how
unfair it is for me to share private emails in the first place. In the
meantime though they don't seem to have any problems exposing others emails
or trying to character assassinate as much as they can. When I started this
website I was a fundy for the most part. I haven't made any changes yet in
my writing to show my change in reasoning. My parents are involved in this
religion and have ostracized me because of my departure from Mormonism.
I picked up the movie Kissin' Hanks Ass on your website last night. It
reminds me exactly of the Mormons attitude, it is so hilarious.
Talk later Mark.
James
Your statement here
was hilarious Mark! I can relate:
Mark Smith here} I have gotten
used to "drive by theology" where xtians have the time to toss out crap at
me as they "drive by" this website, but never have the time to actually back
up what they claim. My gut feeling is that they've gotten so used to
swallowing without question any old crap that spews forth from their pulpits
and right wing radio wackos that they think everyone else will likewise
accept without question what they say. Actual thinking- the gathering and
weighing of evidence- is too much work for the modern Joe Sixpack Christian
of today.
Good morning Mark Smith.
Christ I loved it! Took more than an hour my first time through, and I may be
nuts, but downloaded the whole page and I'm going back for more.
Mark,
Subject: Thank you for JCnot4me.com For 16 years (maybe longer - the exact date escapes me) I was a devout,
you must get a ton of hate email!!
Really love your site! Keep up the great work!
Rich Prowse
Subject: They'll never get it, will they?
Hi Mark...
Probably not the only one who saw it this way
but I'll add my 2 cents anyway:
1. More that 800 dead in Baghdad.... Sad but,
their faith didn't protect them from themselves.
2. The
Pope sends his condolences to the victims of Katrina? Excuse me but this is
the work of your employer there, Fritz. The insurance companies even
say so.
And who says the news isn't amusing?
Yes, I grieve for the victims but have no
respect for the perpetrators.....
MD
I have to commend you on the great page you host. i have had my
science-ixoye sticker on my car, i went back to evolve fish to look for new
ones and i never noticed the link to your page until tonight ;)
nice work & sticker!
-analia
Subject: Thanks
Hi Mark,
Just to say 'thanks' for your web site. And
keep up the good work!
I've spent over 40 years in a 'christian'
family, knowing all along that it was all make-believe, yet being made to
feel, somehow, subtly, that I was in some way I was at fault for not
believing. Pah! A weekend family get-together earlier this year has turned
me into a radical, no longer brpared to listen in silence and 'respect'
their beliefs, when they have none for mine. It's time to speak out.
Great to find your site - now I know I'm not
alone!
all the best,
Penny
Hey Mark! You must get
this all the time but your site kicks ass! I was turned onto it by a random
business card I found, and have since made my own. Thank you for your commitment
to sanity in this country!
Subject: (no subject)
hey man, i have to say i agree with you 100 percent! i mean god/jesus Mark here} Thanks for writing Ben. It is true- this universe is WAY too big for something alive to be occupying the entire expanse. Good news on the Business Cards- go to my home page, and you can download a PDF file and print out your own supply! Works great. Save the file to your own computer if your wish.
dear mark,
Subj: Well done Mark for exposing the evil Bible-God! Date: 4/10/2005 12:07:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: ------ To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Dear Mark,
I came across your site and I would like to majorly applaud you for your courage to expose this monstrous piece of evil that Bible enthusiasts worship.
Recently I became interested in reading more about religion to get a grasp and understanding of it. As soon as I sat down to read the Bible, I became horrified by what I was reading, and even more shocked and alarmed that this book containing such evil has successfully brainwashed a staggering amount of people on this planet to worship such filth. I cannot possibly combrhend how anybody in their right mind can read these scriptures of upmost immorality and worship the God who is responsible for upholding and rewarding such acts of wickedness.
It is very likely that The Bible is an account of history, but this book has been drastically and wrongly misunderstood by many. It is blindingly obvious that there is more than one God in the Bible, but Bible and other religious fanatics refuse to acknowledge this fact because people always like to disregard what they don't want to hear. What is also very apparent is that these 'Gods' of good and evil (Jehovah being one of the evil Gods) were not actually Gods, but seen as Gods to humans on earth for they were beings from another world. The energy of good, which is the energy of God, is working through the good 'Gods' (good extra-terrestrials), and the energy of the evil, which is the energy of Satan, is working through Jehovah and other evil 'Gods' (the evil extra-terrestrials). This is why there were many 'Angels' of 'The Lord'. Meanwhile, Jesus was a highly spiritual man who lived to show the way in which to behave righteously and morally, and not to follow the evil of Satan (such as the Satanically influenced Jehovah from the Old Testament).
It is a shame that countless many have been utterly brainwashed into seeing The Bible in a disturbing way, and subsequently form numerous religions and wage unjustifiable wars all because of a book they do not understand. All these people are under the influence of Satanic negative energy. It is also worthy to point out that Karma is indeed a part of life as the horrific mass genocide committed by the Israelites which Judaism embraces and worships to this day is an act which Jews had done unto them not so long ago. As the sayings go, "Don't do unto others what you would not wish done unto yourself" and "Treat others as you would have them treat you". If genocide and other acts of evil are wrong (which they undoubtedly are), then it's about time people stopped worshiping any 'God' (Satanic influenced entity) which commands, supports, upholds and praises such evil like the Bible-God you rightly condemn.
Yours, C.
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Subj: Friendly Criticism Date: 4/10/2005 5:52:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time From:(larry oler) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Hi Mark. Could you tolerate a little friendly literary criticism from a fellow atheist ? I like your assertive "in your face" writing style. It's forceful, even emotional, without sacrificing intellectual content. My ONLY observation would be a humble plea for you to restrict the use of profanity when brsenting your arguments and editorials.
Eliminating the profanity would have NOTHING to do with social etiquette, being nice or because some people believe such language is "naughty". IMHO the profanity is negative only because it tends to make your well thought out discourse sound too much like a simple rant or an angry outburst. My single criticism is that the " Fuck-Shit-Hell-Damn" writing style undermines the seriousness of your message. It weakens the effectiveness of your articles because it distracts the reader from the overall content. It's like imagining the late Carl Sagan giving a lecture on cosmology, " As you can see, the god damned accretion disk surroundind the mother fucking black hole will pull all surrounding celestial matter apart..." The "colorful" language has great entertainment value but it pulls the focus away from the more important ideas.
I understand what it's like to feel seething rage and the emotional release that comes from spewing out some choice words. My favorite phrase when I've smashed my thumb with a hammer is :
" God Dammit !!! .......fuck Jesus in his hairy Jewish ass !!!!!!!!!! "
As you can see, I am not trying to take some alledged moral high ground or to come across as some smug elitist. Anyway, let me be clear that I enjoy your web-site and that if I wasn't truly interested in it I wouldn't bother to contact you. I support you no matter what your brferred writing style is and I acknowledge that I could be completely out of sync with the rest of your readership.
I wish you continued fucking success with your god damned, mother fucking web-site.
( Sorry, I couldn't resist the irony. )
sincerely yours, Larry Oler
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Subj: YOUR SITE Date: 4/7/2005 4:20:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Trannon Goble) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Between this site and evilbible.com I've had the greatest time. Your essays are fact-filled, fun to read and down-right hilarious! I loved the Gospel of Jesus: things Jesus said Christians wish he had never said.
I am a former Christian teacher and apologist. I lost "God" in 2003 and left his ass on the road. I apbrciate such a wonderfully brilliant website from someone who feels just like me.
Keep up the great essays, TRANNON
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Subj: Thank you... Date: 4/8/2005 12:04:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Amy & Steve) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
I just had a fight with religious kooks knocking at my door. I told them this is a "NO SOLICITATION" neighborhood, and would call the cops if they knocked on one more door. But I was afraid to report them to the police because what would I say, that they were trying to sell religion? Although it is true, I see religious nuts all around me and the dispatcher is probably one of them! They seem not to be afraid to voice their opinions anymore, which makes me nervous that there are more of them than there are of us. I really needed to see your website to reinforce the fact that I am not alone. Thanks again, I loved it... and will pass on the link to others in the know.
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Subj: Well done Mark for exposing the evil Bible-God! Date: 4/10/2005 12:07:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: ----- To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Dear Mark,
I came across your site and I would like to majorly applaud you for your courage to expose this monstrous piece of evil that Bible enthusiasts worship.
Recently I became interested in reading more about religion to get a grasp and understanding of it. As soon as I sat down to read the Bible, I became horrified by what I was reading, and even more shocked and alarmed that this book containing such evil has successfully brainwashed a staggering amount of people on this planet to worship such filth. I cannot possibly combrhend how anybody in their right mind can read these scriptures of upmost immorality and worship the God who is responsible for upholding and rewarding such acts of wickedness.
It is very likely that The Bible is an account of history, but this book has been drastically and wrongly misunderstood by many. It is blindingly obvious that there is more than one God in the Bible, but Bible and other religious fanatics refuse to acknowledge this fact because people always like to disregard what they don't want to hear. What is also very apparent is that these 'Gods' of good and evil (Jehovah being one of the evil Gods) were not actually Gods, but seen as Gods to humans on earth for they were beings from another world. The energy of good, which is the energy of God, is working through the good 'Gods' (good extra-terrestrials), and the energy of the evil, which is the energy of Satan, is working through Jehovah and other evil 'Gods' (the evil extra-terrestrials). This is why there were many 'Angels' of 'The Lord'. Meanwhile, Jesus was a highly spiritual man who lived to show the way in which to behave righteously and morally, and not to follow the evil of Satan (such as the Satanically influenced Jehovah from the Old Testament).
It is a shame that countless many have been utterly brainwashed into seeing The Bible in a disturbing way, and subsequently form numerous religions and wage unjustifiable wars all because of a book they do not understand. All these people are under the influence of Satanic negative energy. It is also worthy to point out that Karma is indeed a part of life as the horrific mass genocide committed by the Israelites which Judaism embraces and worships to this day is an act which Jews had done unto them not so long ago. As the sayings go, "Don't do unto others what you would not wish done unto yourself" and "Treat others as you would have them treat you". If genocide and other acts of evil are wrong (which they undoubtedly are), then it's about time people stopped worshiping any 'God' (Satanic influenced entity) which commands, supports, upholds and praises such evil like the Bible-God you rightly condemn.
Yours, C.S.
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Subj: Friendly Criticism Date: 4/10/2005 5:52:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: (larry oler) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Hi Mark. Could you tolerate a little friendly literary criticism from a fellow atheist ? I like your assertive "in your face" writing style. It's forceful, even emotional, without sacrificing intellectual content. My ONLY observation would be a humble plea for you to restrict the use of profanity when brsenting your arguments and editorials.
Eliminating the profanity would have NOTHING to do with social etiquette, being nice or because some people believe such language is "naughty". IMHO the profanity is negative only because it tends to make your well thought out discourse sound too much like a simple rant or an angry outburst. My single criticism is that the " Fuck-Shit-Hell-Damn" writing style undermines the seriousness of your message. It weakens the effectiveness of your articles because it distracts the reader from the overall content. It's like imagining the late Carl Sagan giving a lecture on cosmology, " As you can see, the god damned accretion disk surroundind the mother fucking black hole will pull all surrounding celestial matter apart..." The "colorful" language has great entertainment value but it pulls the focus away from the more important ideas.
I understand what it's like to feel seething rage and the emotional release that comes from spewing out some choice words. My favorite phrase when I've smashed my thumb with a hammer is :
" God Dammit !!! .......fuck Jesus in his hairy Jewish ass !!!!!!!!!! "
As you can see, I am not trying to take some alledged moral high ground or to come across as some smug elitist. Anyway, let me be clear that I enjoy your web-site and that if I wasn't truly interested in it I wouldn't bother to contact you. I support you no matter what your brferred writing style is and I acknowledge that I could be completely out of sync with the rest of your readership.
I wish you continued fucking success with your god damned, mother fucking web-site.
( Sorry, I couldn't resist the irony. )
sincerely yours, Larry Oler
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Subj: YOUR SITE Date: 4/7/2005 4:20:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Trannon Goble) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Between this site and evilbible.com I've had the greatest time. Your essays are fact-filled, fun to read and down-right hilarious! I loved the Gospel of Jesus: things Jesus said Christians wish he had never said.
I am a former Christian teacher and apologist. I lost "God" in 2003 and left his ass on the road. I apbrciate such a wonderfully brilliant website from someone who feels just like me.
Keep up the great essays, TRANNON
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Subj: Thank you... Date: 4/8/2005 12:04:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Amy & Steve) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
I just had a fight with religious kooks knocking at my door. I told them this is a "NO SOLICITATION" neighborhood, and would call the cops if they knocked on one more door. But I was afraid to report them to the police because what would I say, that they were trying to sell religion? Although it is true, I see religious nuts all around me and the dispatcher is probably one of them! They seem not to be afraid to voice their opinions anymore, which makes me nervous that there are more of them than there are of us. I really needed to see your website to reinforce the fact that I am not alone. Thanks again, I loved it... and will pass on the link to others in the know.
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Subject: Your site Dear mark, I came across your site this afternoon and spent some time reading what you have to say, and all I can say is, ! You have done your research. I am 38 and if anyone is a bigger xian disliker (I want to say hater, but I have too many xian friends to say it!), I would like to meet her. One of my new years resolutions for '05 is to not get upset when I have to sit behind a minivan covered in Jesus Jesus Jesus stickers. I want one that says SHUT UP ABOUT JESUS! but I am afraid my car will be destroyed by God's followers. You know what really made me HAVE to leave xianity behind? The use of OT verses that were so out of context it was laughable and Paul. I was in a Bible study when I was in my 20's and began to flip back and forth whenever a gospel writer quoted an OT verse to show Jesus as the messiah. Lo and behold, verily I found that the verses had nothing to do with Jesus. At first I ignored this, since I could only think, Am I smarter than C.S. Lewis, Thomas Aquinas, Ignatius Loyola, my pastor...? Hardly! I must be an idiot to not see that these verses totally point to Jesus. But it got to the point that I could not deny what my mind showed me as clear proof that the gospel writers were wrong. Then there was Paul. It bothered me that he never met Jesus, never hung out with his disciples, but had a vision and got lots of mystical wisdom from Jesus. I could not get over the hubris of this man, and since I have always had an interest in mental illness and epilepsy, I could not get past the idea that Paul was a man who was delusional and possibly epileptic. I think the same about Mohammed. He sees a light, falls off his horse, goes blind, hears a voice. Sounds brtty clinical to me. Yet millions of people for 2.000 years have considered him a mouthpiece for God Himself. When I left the Church I started studying Mormonism, Islam and other religions when I took religion classes in college, and also reading on my own. I have come to the conclusion that these religions were started by men who were mentally ill and the times did not permit people to see it as anything less than spiritual. I know xians and Mormons who say things like "God told me..." "God let me know..." and then go on as if they sat down with God and had coffee with him. I used to think xians were nuts, but now I think that revelatory religion in general makes people a little nutty. One atheist I know says that religious people are just stupid, but there are too many men and women who are doctors, scientists, physicists, philosophers, etc., who are theists and also muslim or hindu or xian or jewish and have no problem with their faith and their reason. I envy them in a way, but in another way I think it is bizarre how someone so smart could be so blind about something. anyway, great site have a nice day jennifer
1/27/05
Hi there Mark, First of all I would like to give you a whole lotta compliments on the works that you've been creating on www.jcnot4me.com... I've been enjoying your site for a long time now, I really love it!! Most of the times, the things in your articles really make sense and it's really funny to see the fundies reply to them with stupid, unfounded logics... The thing is that I had been a christian for about 2.5 years and I just "deconverted" myself a few months ago when I started thinking about the lots of questions I still had... The doubts I had about my faith etc... As far as I understand, you're just a similar case huh? I mean, you used to be a believer too right? I guess letting go of beliefs that are rooted so friggin deeply is really *terrifying*.... Hell, I can tell you!! But of course you could tell me as well. But thank God - errrm... I mean, thank goodness that we have the internet nowadays to look for second opinions - to see what other people have to say about religion and why they don't believe, instead of having to rely on your christian friends who will always tell you that "it's the devil popping those questions inside your head"... And that you "just have to be firm in your faith..." Gosh... You probably know what I'm talking about huh? But even though I consider myself something between an agnost and an atheist right now, it's still hard to completely let go of the old religion I used to firmly believe in... And that's where helpful sites like yours come in sooo sooo handy!! So basically, I just wanted to say, thank you for putting all these viewpoints on the internet - you've definitely opened my eyes on lots of topics and gosh - your Bible knowledge is quite stunning man!! Guess the average christian I know doesn't know half as much as you do - haha stupid fucks. Anyway, respect dude, keep up the good work!! George
Subject: YOU'VE GOT AN EXCELLENT XTIAN BUTT-KICKING SITE! KIP UP!
just want you to know that I'm so IMbrSSED with your page! Good work, bro! Kip up! Though I'm not an atheist, I AGREE with everything you wrote about the Christian God and their Bible!
Recently, one of the Xtian pastors keep pissing me off with the Bible and I
referred him to one of your excellent creation the evilbible.com.
Is that fine with you?
I do hope.
All for now!
Angel
VIP. PS.
Btw, do you know any links of your group here in the Philippines? I'm a Filo
you see and I want to ask your referral. I do hope you could help me with
this cuz' I got alot of friends who has been set free FROM Jesus.
Praise the Lord! heheh
Again, thank you and do hope you don't mind my english
Subject: thank you
Thanks Mark, I spent about an hour on your web-site reading the truthful insights and comments concerning our brainless brsident. It's beyond my imagination as to why the public overwhelmingly decided to re-crown this jerk for another four years. Evidently a majority of the public does not read newspapers, magazines, or other sources of news besides listening to the blabbering fascist propaganda of Rush Limbaugh, or the just as right-wing views of Fox TV. It's possible the American public in some areas of this nation have truly been dumbed down either through our educational system or religious and right wing propaganda. Whatever it is, if this trend continues, we will certainly evolve into a totalitarian form of government that closely resembles the Third Reich or a Fundamentalist Christian theocracy. Of course with King George in charge, this process will occur sooner rather than later. If he made bold arrogant lies to start a tragic war in Iraq, why should the public believe him when he mentions Social Security as being in a crisis that needs reform? the only reform Bush wants is to completely dismantle the entire system. When first passed by Congress under Roosevelt, not one member of the GOP voted for the legislation to establish this system. Would you mind if I included the essay you mailed, titled God is NOT the Author, in the next issue of FP? It is, like every article you write, a terrific, thoughtful commentary on a subject that no doubt would make every devout follower of the Jesus cult, scream and pull out their hair or have a day-long temper tantrum. Your website is one of the best on the Internet. Louis Cable another subscriber, has an interesting website that is worth checking out. It is: http://home.inu.net/skeptic/obsay.htm With the best of regards, Leland
Subject: Your Website Hi Mark: I found your website because I was thinking of building a website with I haven't read everything that you've written, but I have read your I grew up in the Christian religion. I read and studied the Bible, by I still believe in Jesus, but in a different way than most. And, you As I said, I would love to learn from your experiences and faith by Keep learning, keep searching, keep growing. You have encouraged me Still good, Stu Yoder
Subject: dude check this out (not a christian) Date: 1/4/2005 4:40:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Dear JCnot4me guy,
Yeah i'm sending this e-mail to help you fight the war against christianity.
You probably get a lot of e-mails so i'm going to keep this short.
Okay here are just two points against christianity that you might find
usefull. Feel free to post them on your website but also feel free to
disregard them. I'm sure you get a lot of suggestions.
1) Why do you follow christianity? Are you afraid of hell? Want to go to
heaven? Does it give you self satisfaction to know that you are carying out
the all powerful and all-good bibleod's will? Does christianity fulfill
something.. ANYTHING within you? Bottom line -yes- Your reasons for
believing in christianity all tie back to you. Your selfish and Selfishness
is a sin.
How can you follow something if the reason you follow it is a sin?
This isn't your fault, it is merely the fault of your biblegod for making an
impossible religion. Biblegod made you so you wouldn't even have one second
of your life where you werent sinning.
2) Why did god send jesus to earth? why did jesus die for our sins? Because
god so loved us, he sent his only son (or something along those lines) to
die for our sins. Right. So... its a fair statement to say that biblegod
would have been sad if jesus hadn't died and saved us all. Its also a fair
statement that if jesus hadn't died for our sins, then he would have felt
sorrow for us. Because biblegod/jesus love us right? It would have HURT THEM
if he didn't die for us. So this "selfless act" was really motivated from
self interest. A.K.A. selfishness.
Which once again *I* have no problem with but selfishness is a SIN.
If god can feel love, and anger, then he has self interest. If he has self
interest, then he sins.
So what is this, this is one sin. Jesus sinned, god sinned, and on top of it
YOU sin and its NOT YOUR FAULT but its biblegod's fault for creating an
impossible religion.
If you've read this far... well
I really like what your website tries to do. I like the genocide at midian.
I think you did a really good job and a good thing about exposing the lies
of the bible.
Although I do think that its unfortunate that people are so bull-headed and
blind that even if you brsent them with these facts they still believe... =|
My name is Joseph Tansey, i'm only 15 but i've lived all over the world and
i've seen what religion can do to entire populations.
I have MSN messenger, as of course.
I hope those two points can contribute in some way to your web-site.
Bloody hell fun
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11/15/04 Mark,
11/12/04 John of Texas} After almost 40 years of being a Christian I
decided to really study the Bible to know the character of God. It took about 10
months of Bible study and about 50 books over the course of the past year but I
recently decided I can no longer call myself a Christian. I now see the Bible as
the major stumbling block for a just society and am hell bent to do my part in
discrediting it. I just wanted to thank you for all your efforts in the battle
for truth. Keep up the great work-if their is a God, I am sure he/she/it is
pleased with you.
Subject: (no subject)
Love the website...Not big on words, dont spend a lot of time on the net,
but want to let you know that what you are doing is necessary and
apbrciated. I am beginning to feel like maybe I'm not completely alone out
here.
Thank You!
James
11/3/04 Just rebrsenting, with no apologies, the
atheistic viewpoint. In big bold print. And I'm kind of unapologetic
about thinking for myself, so that resonates with me. It's not that you
come across as militant....it's just the imbrssion I get that you don't
really care what other people think. In my experiences people tend to
"not rock the boat" no matter what their true feelings are in order to
prosper in this culture that places so much emphasis
on religion-as-truth/morality. I differ in my opinions on this matter
with most if not all of the people that I associate with (it's hard to
know for sure because no one talks about it...I'm too young {36} to
remember McCarthyism, but it feels like I always thought that would have
felt like) . It's very refreshing to know that other people share at
least some of my opinions.
Subject: Thanks
I'm an ex-fundamentalist Christian. I have
deconverted this year after much study, both biblical and secular. Just
wanted to say thanks for your site.
11/3/05 I believe the essay that
has made the deepest imbrssion (although I enjoyed them all) was
Genocide at Midian. I had been exposed to several friends and
colleagues from several different denominations from Churches of Christ
to the other end of the Christian spectrum, such as Assemblies of God
and Pentecostals. All professed to love Christ and to be following his
commandments. However, both thought that the other was going to hell,
because obviously, if they were worshipping so differently, the Holy
Spirit was not guiding them (how could I once have believed this). So,
I decided that the one place where I could find the truth for myself was
the bible. I didn't want to just worship at one denomination, because
my parents did. I started with Genesis 1:1. I had problems with the
Creation account, but I took day to mean ages, and therefore, the earth
is billions of years old as it is known to be. I could not believe the
flood story, because of the obvious problems with room on the ark. The
bible gives two different accounts for how long Noah was on
the ark. Also, the fact that light supposedly did not refract and
produce rainbows before Noah is illogical. I got bad feelings from the
Exodus story, noticing that it was God who caused Pharaoh's heart to
harden resulting in another plague, but I knew that God's mind was
difficult to understand and kept reading. I read all the Levitical
laws, which I became suspicious of being ripped off from other systems
at the time like Hammurabi's code. All the ritualistic animal sacrifice
seemed a bit over the top, especially when dealing with things like how
to heal leprosy. But, God had to have death and blood to forgive sin
(why?), because Jesus had not come to earth and died yet. Regardless, I
was skeptical. I found inconsistencies in Numbers and atrocities in
Deuteronomy and Joshua. I never knew that God ordered the Hebrews to
kill men, women, infant boys, and cattle, but he told them to save
virgin girls for themselves. God ordering "His People" to kill the
elderly, women, and children was a much repeated theme. I had to
question it.
I then extrapolated this questioning to the New Testament. I discovered
the Messianic Prophecies were not prophecies at all, just excerpts
pulled out of context. The gospels do not even agree on the most
fundamental story to Christianity - the resurrection. In fact, they are
irreconcilable contradictions of each other. I began studying secular
sources, such as your website, the Pagan Origin of the Christian Myth
website, several books by both apologists and ex-Christians, such as Dan
Barker.
Regardless, I could go on and on. I have thoroughly exhausted the bible
hoping for evidence to maintain my faith in God, but this investigation
has led me to understand that it is a myth... just like all the other
religions of the world... just like the Egyptian gods, Greek gods, and
Roman gods before Judaism and Christianity. It was tough at first, but
I adjusted quickly. I have a new found apbrciation for all life. I
know that this is it, and that I should make the very best of it that I
can. And, I do. I just wish everyone would approach their religion
without any biases, thoroughly examine it all and come to the only
rational conclusion there is - IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.
Subject: you rock hey just wanted to tell you that i like your website and the things you say.
Subject: Saw your website Hey, my name's Kelley and I saw your website and I have to say it was
Subject: Your infinite patience I have now read quite a bit of your website, and am having a swell time. What
I can't get over is how much patience you have shown these ridiculous fundies.
Are you never going to give it up? Are you a terminal masochist?
Subject: Good work
In a message dated 9/27/2004 12:39:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tatrue@swbell.net writes:
Dear Mark,
Hey Thomas;
Thanks for the email, and glad I could be of service.
The time for writing the material- some of it I wrote more than 30 years
ago. It takes time to research, organize, and write, reorganize, re-write
etc. Then there's the computer aspect of it. Two steps forward, one step
back. Yes, it all does take time. I hope it's worth it though, if I can help
keep people from being suckerd into Fundyism like I was.
---Mark Smith
Subject: (no subject) hey my
mom is in the central church of christ in sarasota fl i met with a guy
from there who said he was an elder but found out later he was a minister there
his name is rod myers they tried to fuck with me with the bible studies but i
followed your website to see how i could catch them everything u said was true
good job man
Subject: Christians Thank you for your web site. I have felt like you for so many years that
Subject: Re: Great Site Sure. That's cool. Also, have you ever taken a look at this site: I remember when I finally saw religion from the outside. It was like It's interesting to me though how the writers of the Bible knew the day You know what we need? We need an atheist US brsident. Wouldn't the
Subject: The Good fight I’ d like to first to first brface this by saying that I accept the truth of
the information on your web site. Your criticism of modern western faith are
certianly valid. As a child I believed in an all knowing God that saw every sin
and weakness. I grew up and realized that our most holy book was nothing more
than myths and fairy tails full of superstitious nonsense. It seemed like a bad
sacred comic book. I studied science and learned of the measurable world. By
reducing my reality down to its corpuscular nature it made sense in the most
elegant of ways. I was awestruck by the beauty of the cosmos. Leading men of
science were my intellectual idols and I did not have any laps in moral judgment
as a result. The conclusions that sciences has given me are that reality is one
thing, the self is an illusion and if you take religion very seriously at all
you are playing a fools game. We are blind men groping at an enormous elephant
of truth. Some grab the tail and say “this is what this thing IS” others grab
the leg and shout “No this is the Truth”. Unlike some, I would very much like
people to feel free to discuss this topic. I teach evolutionary theory to 8th
graders in rural Ohio, and almost 80 years after the scopes trial, I still meet
with parents who think I’m “talk’en the devil’s story” I believe we all should
throw off the shackles of religions mythologistic certainty. I have become
convinced that our view of ourselves needs to be revised. Sorry about the long
e-mail (bet you get a LOT of hate mail from people who profess to hold love of
others as their highest ideal)
Subject: support Hello Mark,
Mark:
I enjoy the site immensely. One
of my biggest problems in this veritable battle against the BFMI of
Christianity is the voluminous amount of material and arguments required,
and most important, the structure or order of those arguments (i.e., most
important, most applicable).
There is a lot of material on your site I could use effectively in my own
efforts.
I request permission to use it with appropriate citation.
I have one suggestion.
The content of your replies is correct, but your tone is often vindictive.
Don’t get me wrong—the frustration caused from idiocy being hotly
vomited in your face can make such a tone inevitable—but the type of people
we’re dealing with are emotively fueled—almost exclusively—so this aspect
is, unfortunately, as integral to our contentions as our actual reasoning.
I have most success when I imitate the same brtentious patience that the
Christians use.
Keep it up Mark. Yours is an
admirable and challenging task.
V. Engelmann
Mark, I just came across your website. Some very interesting material, especially the article on the atonement. It was actually the injustice of the innocent suffering for the guilty that finally killed my Xtian faith. I earned a Ph.D. at Bob Jones Univ. and taught in a Bible college for 10 years. Finally I realized that I had devoted my life to a myth and a fantasy. It was hard to accept but I have and now I am moving on. Thanks again for your insight. --
I love everything that you have written. It makes the most sense out of it all, about the existence of god. The things that really gets me about Christians, is when I ask them to prove their god exists, they use the existence of earth and the entire universe as their proof of god existing. In truth, that is not proving his existence, that is only making a claim that he is the one that created it all. A claim that needs proof to be considered a fact. Why cant they understand this? And us non-believers claim no burden of proof in the first place, for it is the Christians that are making the positive statement, giving them the burden of proof. The naysayer bears no burden except that he MUST change his mind when hard evidence is brsented. This evidence has never and will never be brsented. But yet over hundreds of years we have shown our proof, and they have shown nothing except some scriptures that were written by 80 year old men, as you said. And great chances are they were under the influence of something when they wrote them. I have learned alot from you, and you have me as a supporter in every way. Keep up the great work! Art
Salutations, Being the only atheist in my school is brtty tough, and I'd just like to say thank you. It's nice to be able to log online and read these long involved articles. It really gives me hope for humanity at last. I don't really want to make this long winded but an impassioned thank you from Pennsylvania. Thanks again! JK - Minority of One
Hi, This webpage is fantastic! You explain these things as though you are inside my own head. I was raised a catholic, and even as a child of 8 or 10, i knew that none of it sounded quite right. But i could also see how easily people can be brainwashed at an early age. I despise organized reigion of any kind because I feel it is time wasted on fantasy, while the real world is what we need to be paying attention to. And to boot, I am made to feel like i am going to this "Hell" of theirs. So goofy! Here's a true story. One of the most religious people i know is a THRICE convicted child rapist. He says God will forgive him when he gets to heaven because he goes to friggin' church! But i'm going to hell because I'm a responsible, homeowning father of 2 with a great job and a lovely wife who HASN'T accepted christ as my savior! He has raped more that 2 dozen boys, but I'm the evil one! Mindboggling
David Court wrote: http://www.errantyears.com/1997/jun97/0940.html
Darrel is kind of like two other guys named Mark Smith and Tod Billings who
Mark,
I studied the bible together with Jehovah's witnesses for several months and
Mark,
Thanks, I found it. I was looking at the gospel of
John after Luke. What a contradiction to Luke 14:26. You are 100% correct in
the statement that if the bible were written by a divine perfect being, it
would be the most simple text to understand. According to the
bible, Biblegod
is the author of confusion.
I too like you was a xtain for about fifteen
years, thanks to my mother I had no choice. I was raised in a Southern
Baptist church. When I started questioning things I found in the bible that
made no sense (like why Biblegod does a complete 180 on his temperament from
the old testament to the New testament for example) I could not get
a straight answer. The more questions I asked the more vague the answers
got. The pastor and my mother would give answers like " It's not our place
to question the will of god.", "Pray on it and god will answer you." and my
personal favorite "When you die and go to heaven, you can ask god why these
things happened." So basically, when a xtain can't answer a question
they defer it to the invisible, unreachable, and silent author. The sickest
thing was they were serious and said it with a straight face. It's great to
be saved from people like that. I understand the title Set Free
Thanks again.
In truth,
James
11/20/08 from "JW"
Hi Pal,
Mark here} Yup. It's cleared up now. As clear as mud.
2/8/08 Wow!!! You seem like such an angry person! Why are you
so angry? I think maybe you should read the NEW TESTAMENT. All you've been
talking about is the Old Testament.
By the way, we all
deserve to die cruel deaths, and be cast into hell forever. You might
think that God is unfair but we were all born into sin. We all deserve to
die. Even me, and I believe in God with all my heart and try to please Him.
And couldn't wish for anything more than for God to smile upon me. Through
His grace I was saved, not because of what I have done. Mark here} I see how your religion has soured your view on life. Why so negative and depressed? Why so hostile to mankind???
10/20/07 I really do not need a reply to this email. This is
10/19/07
Mark,
I have no idea how much of this
email you will read so I will start with the obvious; without a saving
relationship with Jesus Christ, you will spend eternity without Him.
That being said, I agree with
you that the church is full of hypocrisy. The question is why.
The church you refer to is not the church Jesus set up while here. The
book of Revelation makes it clear in the first two chapters that the
world would "marry" the church and infiltrate to not only disrupt the
operation if you will, but would basically water it down to what you see
today.
The birth of Jesus Christ was in the
plans from the beginning of time and was necessary to bring a fallen
people back to the God that created them. How does that work? Doesn't
matter if you don't believe that you are a sinner and that you must be
forgiven.
The
hypocrisy in the church is no
surprise to the Lord.
2Chronicles 7:14 says "If
my people,
which are called by my name, shall humble
themselves, and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will
forgive their sin, and will heal their land".
He's referring to His people; the
church. Focusing on the ones who fall like
Bakker, Swaggert, etc. is
not new. Focusing on the one who died so that you may have life isn't
either. I will pray that you will have understanding to at least be
able to sort through the mess and understand that Jesus died so that you
wouldn't have to.
Chuck Horn
Mark here} Chuck, your Jesus is the one who said "By their fruits ye shall know them". You either believe that or you don't. If you DO believe that, and if you DO believe what I yellowed in from your email above, then please, "KNOW THEM". Stop pretending otherwise. You CAN know them by their fruits. Stop making excuses for their fruits, and start doing what your Jesus said: Know them. Know them for the frauds they are.
10/1/07 Too bad you don't get it, you will have an eternity to regret it.
9/10/07
you are probably the biggest DOOS in the
universe
jcis4uasshole(YES,YOU)
7/28/07 Hi,
6/30/07
I am praying for you. You seem to be
confused about Jesus Christ & his true church. I do'nt know why you dont
understand the truth in the bible. Maybe you just been talking to luke
warm christians Try talking to ones that obey God's word & you will see
the real Jesus Christ of the bible. I know your kind I have debated them
& I have always found that they would'nt believe God is real even if
Jesus would perform a mircle right before them. I would suggest to you
to go back & read & study the gospel of John ( the whole bible to ) &
see that God has only one church or body of Christ. It's alright to
disagree at times but from what I read of your beliefs seems to be
another gospel then what Jesus,the prophets in the bible & apostles
wrote. Well I will pray for you that you come to the knowledge of the
truth of the real Christ & his church. GOD BLESS YOU !
6/26/07
Dear lost one,
I was grieved by reading some of your material regarding "Evidence That
Doesn't Demand a Verdict." Do you realize how uninformed you are of the
truth? It would appear by some of your statements that you truly are
blinded and are making your stand on false presumptions. I don't
believe you could have ever been a student of the Bible based on some of
your presumptions. So, if you have never studied the Bible, then what
gives you accountability to make claims against Jesus Christ?
I don't feel it is necessary to point out to you all of the obvious
mistruths in your article. Let me just point out one:
Failure to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ does not mean you are doomed
to burn in hell forever. I am a Christian and have the authority to
rebuke this presumption of yours. Hell is temporary. The fate of a
lost soul is eternal torment in the lake of fire. Please take the time
to read Revelation 20:11-15. This scripture will show you that those
who are dead and already in hell (Hades) will be judged and thrown into
the lake of fire. It would be a good idea for you to educate yourself
regarding the difference between hell and the ultimate fate for a
non-believer. How then, do you speak with any authority while being
ignorant of the truth?
I am a student of the Bible and my life has been transformed by Jesus
since I came to know Him personally 5 years ago. I would be very
willing to spend time in email correspondence with you telling you of
the MANY, MANY, MANY testimonies I have about what the Lord Jesus has
done in my life and the lives of my children.
Here is one small but powerful testimony that there is a living Savior
and He cares about you and me:
My 16 yr old daughter was recently hospitalized and diagnosed with
Crohn's disease, an inflammatory bowel disease. She suffers daily with
severe abdominal pain and vomiting. She is an amazingly strong child of
God and a believer and this health condition does not stop her from
pursuing a quality life. She had been ill on a daily basis for several
weeks, but went into work at her job at a local restaurant. While
working, she seated a lady who had come into the restaurant alone.
While that lady was there, my daughter felt fine and worked as usual,
never having to leave her workstation. When the lady finished her meal
and was leaving, she approached my daughter and said these words to her:
"I need to tell you that while I was here, I was led to pray for you,
your stomach, and specifically your intestines."
My daughter was floored and amazed! How could this complete stranger
know that my daugher is sick and that her condition is localized in her
intestines!? Not only that, but since that encounter and prayer from a
stranger but fellow believer, my daughter's condition has dramatically
improved, so much so that her doctor has begun to wean her off of the 6
medications including chemotherapy that she takes daily.
I know you don't know me. But for what reason would I have to lie to
you about such a thing? I don't have a personal agenda, except that I
care for every soul that was once lost and in the darkness as I was.
Jesus has changed my life. He can change yours. I am willing to help
you get to know Him better.
Peace friend.
Melonie
6/13/07 dang sir,  what u stand for is heavy. MOST Christians don't live or believe what the bible says. they have been decieved into beliving that comfortable living is the focus and not allowing the Lord to really work in their life personally aside from possesions. I AGREE but... i want u 2 understand that all people r sinners. NOBODY(christian or non christian) is perfect but JESUS. GOD ain't no drill sergent. He gives all people free will which this choice to do right or wrong. Christians tend 2 be single out cause some of us r so full of pride that we make unbelivers think we r surpose to be perfect or something. they r wrong. we are NOT sinless. we are surpose to sin less. i used to live in the inner city of Baltimore. I accepted
christ when i was 17. I made a choice to change and be real about
it. I love Jesus. were i lived, there was no hope. But
the lord changed me. He changed me from the INSIDE. i had a baby @
16. i was off the hook. i wasn't thinking bout no "phony
church people", but GOD allowed me to meet some REAL people who wasn't
religious or phony. The took living a holy life seriously. Now
these people wasn't perfect, and still not, but their HEARTS are
dedicated to doing GOD's will instead of their will more and more. i apologize for the BAD testimonies of christian living but their is a group of us young people who WERE gang bangers, drug dealers, extremly sexually active, disobedient to their parents, haters of GOD, molested and teen mothers. AND we all BLACK. The ones that people didn't want to see downtown @ the harbor. BUT GOD some how got our attention in a real way. We all accepted Christ and we wasn't perfect right away. We are all a work in progress. we strive to sin less and less. Jesus was and is our only hope. try jesus. don't look for a miracle or something like that. ASK GOD to make himself real to you and u will see him in a different light. Jesus will make your understanding clear and correct.
u be Blessed and again i apologize
Christian Lady All Day Mark here} Thanks for the email. I am glad your life has improved. But the fact that your life would have improved even if you had joined a Muslim mosque does NOT prove Islam, does it??? Millions of Muslims worldwide could write very similar success stories- yet you and I both would agree their religion is a lie and false. Eventually, you will come to discover that Christianity does not work as advertised. You will probably blame yourself for not having tried hard enough, and then go back and try even harder. When it still doesn't work, you will try even harder than before. Eventually, I hope, you will come to realize that it's not you, but your religion, that is failing. At that point in your life I hope you make the right decision.
6/12/07 Hello there Mr. Smith, My name is Eleisha and I had to write you a quick email. I don't know whether you will read this or not, but in my heart I new I should. I respect your opinions and such and do not judge you. However you are missing so much when it comes to faith. God has brought so much into my life and given me so much to look forward to. I used to be in a gang and I can tell you that with out his presents in my life I would never have made it out alive. I can understand the anger you feel toward many things these days but you must realize it is not gods doing. It our own humanist doing. George bush makes his own Godless decisions. Churches choose to build their foundations off of money and politics rather than faith and God. All I ask is that you think about the fact that our world is not what God wanted for us he gave us the freedom of choice and many of his people are saying they follow him and are doing wrong but saying they are doing good in his name. Thank You for your time Elisha
6/8/07
I have only viewed you web-site for a few minutes, but noted the
arguments concerning three strikes and Jesus was out in respect to being
a false Christ. You stated, and I want to be accurate, that Jesus
predicted the second coming of the Lord would occurr within the lifetime
of the people of that era; Jesus arose from the dead for three days,
witnessed what would occurr for three thousand years (if a day is like a
thousand years), and returned to prove he had arisen from the dead.
That would be considered a second coming of the Lord.
The end of the world, and I want to be easily understood due to the
relevance of knowlkedge and language that is beyond the understanding of
most (if not all), did occurr to all those that were alive in that they
all died sooner or later, and I am not being humorous in this matter.
They died, were judged, and are awaiting the Revelation to occurr for
the end judgements that take place upon the New Earth.
Concerning when Jesus becomes the "Lamb of God" to reign over the New
Earth, based upon the Light of God and the Lamb of God being the light
within and the Temple thereof, that is based upon Revelations which is
truth concerning what will occurr in the three thousand years that Jesus
witnessed while arisen to the right hand of his Father.
There are people who have not made a deal with Satan in order to live
the years between the times of when Jesus lived, died, returned, and
becomes the Lamb of God to reign over the New Earth, and are still here
on Earth for the day of Judgement; whether these people are of good or
evil is a part of that judgement in respect to what has taken place
since the crucifixion of Christ. I have witnessed stars fall from the
sky, and some of these people that were around when Jesus was alive
before the crucifixion thereof are possibly from these stars within the
heavens that were to witness the crucifixion that was ordered by Caesar.
Today's relativeness might be the new forms of crucifixion that occurr
through technological defilements; "'Gates of Death"' by a false God
would be relative, and lineages that possess the "'gates"' of 'his'
enemies.
Mark here} Huh? Could someone please translate this religious gibberish into English???
6/4/07 I can't believe I'm even sending this, but I had a few Mark here} What part of "Take it up with a local rabbi" went over your head? I am serious. The rabbi will be more than able to pull out a calculator and show you that 1+1+1 =3 and not 1+1+1=1.
Mark here} I'd be more than happy to enlighten you. Here is an essay of mine on the topic: http://jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/Second%20Coming%20stuff/Mt%2024-34_files/Mt%2024-34.htm
Mark here} Lucky you! Here you are on my web site!!!
6/3/07 DUDE! thats a whole lot of hatred you have going on at
that site. Its filled with alot of anger. I'll pray for you and your small
minority. Mark here} So my site is "filled with alot of anger"??? Do you believe that to be a sin? If so, then your Jesus was sinning when he cursed the fig tree and when he beat and threw everyone out of the temple.
5/31/07
Are you the one responsible for this web page? I was doing research
for a project when i came across this web site. My mouth dropped
open!. I am utterlay appalled at everything you wrote on there!. Who
are you to put something like this on the internet for all to see?
Don't you have any respect for anyone? Who are you?? and where do
you get off making a bunch of malarchy about christians? If you want
to make fun of us and poke fun may be you should try to do some
research first about us and what are religion is and MAY BE put
something on there that is true about us not something that came out
of your foul mouth!!.I hope you know that all that is on there is
COMPLETLY FALSE AND WHERE THE HECK WOULD YOU COME UP WITH A DUMB
IDEA LIKE THIS!|! OR MAY BE YOU SHOULD TRY TO NOT MAKE FUN OF ANYONE
AT ALL!? did you ever think of that?! i'm mad and quite upset about
this web page. I would like to know one thing from you? Why would
you do this? and second of all did this all come outa your brain. i
feel sorry for you if it did. I try to put myself in your shoes but
i just can not understand it? i could go on for hours and make fun
of your values and morals. how would you feel about that? HUH? i
could even go on and talk rubbish and garbage all about your so
called "religion" - if you even have one that is!.. So may be the
next time you decide to write something like that and post it on the
internet you will stop and think about mm.. who is all reading
this.. IF YOU EVEN CARED AT ALL!. -don't forget your also writing to
God...
Mark here} This is what I have at the top of my homepage, at the right hand side: Am I therefore
become your
enemy
for telling you the truth? If what I have written is false, write an intelligent well-documented rebuttal to it and I will be more than happy to put it on my web site. If, however, what I write turns out to be true, will you dump your religion for reason??? I can only hope.
5/3/07
Jesus is love if you do not believe you
should read your bible before writting lies.
5/21/07
are you anti christian purely or anti religion as a whole?
just asking
thanks
Mark here} I try to "specialize" in Christianity, as it's what I spent 20 years in. I will leave it to ex-Muslims, ex-Jews, ex-Hindus etc to deal with their own.
5/9/07 Your thesis and supporting arguments are horribly misguided if you base your claims solely on the Old Testament. God is indeed, often portrayed as an ireful deity there - and not the God that Christians know, a loving God that was introduced by Jesus. The majority of religions from various denominations are monotheistic, believing in a supreme deity, the Alpha and Omega - but each views that one universal God in a different light. Christians focus on the New Testament for that is where the incarnate Saviour and His doctrines are. Most of the Old Testament is read contextually and not literally and many parts indeed seem diametrically opposed to the God whom we know and worship. Jesus was crucified partly because he was seen as a dangerous heterodox who essayed to correct the misguided image of God, and His magnanimous miraculous healings and parables served to convert many. Jesus is the paradigm of goodness and altruism: "love thy neighbour," "turn the other cheek!" He IS God- the true God- and His conduct was unimpeachable (He never harmed a fly!), indeed, He embraced his cross and suffered the most agonizing of deaths so that we may be absolved from our sins through the sacrament of reconciliation and obtain salvation. Moreover, numerous Catholic saints have followed His example and led exemplary lives and performed miracles through His intercession even after death! So please, I implore you - do not rail against Jesus when you havent spoken a word about Him, only the God found in the Old Testament and NOT the God Jesus revealed in the New.
You may post this on your site if you wish. I hope that you will so
others won't be mislead into thinking Christianity is a violent
religion that condones the slaughter of living beings and creatures.
Again, our true
God, revealed by Jesus in the New Testament, is not callous,
truculent, and ammoral.
4/2/07 Marc, You are interesting. I read your articles. Not real deep, but interesting. It also seems that your reading list is pretty narrow. I’m probably guilty of not reading widely enough either, but then again, I found your site. There is some good stuff out there written by some pretty good minds. Your logic comes across as shallow although it probably feels profound to you. I’m not sure God or Jesus or Mary or whomever is as messed up as they feel to you. Church seems amazingly messed up… except where they are taking care of the people thrown away by others. When they do things like that it seems good. Bono seems to have some pretty good ideas on stuff like that. History is tricky, though. I guess none of knows as much as we think. You are still interesting though.
Don
4/1/2007 ...and as a born again believer I have to say that you stepped on your own toes with much of your commentary. You in no way proved any of your anti-Christian contentions, but have, in fact, shown your reasoning to be suspect (to be gentle). You've amply demonstrated just how dangerous a limited understanding of something can be.
I visited your site because I was curious to see what someone could come up
with challenge my beliefs. But all you succeeded in doing was reinforcing
them. I'm sorry bro, but your arguments were that bad. You're going to have
to do better.
Mark here} Congratulations on having a hard heart, set like hardened concrete, oblivious to all reason and rationality. Go and be proud and brag about having the very thing that your Jesus condemned. (And you claim to know ANYthing about the Bible? ha ha ha)
But I will grant you this much: sometimes Christians are the reason people
don't come to Christ. Not a generality or a rule, but a reality
nonetheless.
Keith
3/19/2007
You know what instead of looking at ways to contradict the Bible and to
contradict the christianity faith why dont you get a life!!!!!!!!! JESUS is
real either you believe it or not JESUS is God but if you were really
informed the Bible clearly says that God sent his son as a human at the time
that he became a human he stopped being God and he died to pay all of our
sin so next time you want to talk about something please get informed about
it because all you are talking is crap!!! so if you dont believe in GOD
JESUS or the HOLY SPIRIT that your business but please get informed first
and stop wasting peoples time !!!!! THIS WEBSITE IS A DISGRACE TO EVERYONE
THAT TAKES THEIR TIME AND READS IT BECAUSE IT IS NOTHING BUT LIES!!!!!
Dear Nameless; I'm glad you enjoyed the website- please come again! ---Mark
Dear Sir,
Sorry, but after reading your website information I still don't understand
what position you are taking. Are you a Christian? Or did something happen
to you in your life to make you an angry, bitter man? Perhaps you could
explain your desire to have a public debate with a Church of Christ
preacher. Would it be to share what you consider to be the truth with
others or to try and attack beliefs you don't agree with? Please clarify.
Thank you,
just wondering
4/8/2007
Dear Wondering; If you have read my website and STILL have no understanding of "what position (I am) taking" I sure won't be able to say anything in THIS short of space to compensate for your inability to comprehend. ---Mark
In a message dated 2/25/2007 1:36:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes:
I just came across your page. Pretty interesting, but you might want to
Thanks Janelle. But before you pray, could you please mail me $20. I am
borrowing it per Matthew 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee,
and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
(Mt. 5:42, King James Version)
And I know that since you're a REAL Christian and will obviously do what
Jesus commanded you to do here, that you'll send me the money I asked of
thee before you pray for me. Thanks.
--Mark S.
Subject: Re: 'Nother response I sent this to you almost exactly a year ago. You have totally ignored it, so far as I can tell. I don't understand why. Did I anger you somehow? I'm not Christian. I'm not Christian. I'm not Christian. I'm not Christian.
I'M NOT CHRISTIAN. I'm not Christian.
------------------------------------- On 1/14/05, Esty Thomas <estelendur@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you for agreeing with me - why /am/ I complaining? Because I "As to criticizing me for being "childish" let's see if any xtians are Lessee: Insulting Christians, not addressing my point (that you were "For example, it's OK for Jesus to have gotten pissed (beating the Well, duh. The gods can do no wrong. *rolls eyes* Yeah, that is dumb -
"Insults? You want insults??? How about the whole 23rd chapter of The I never said Jesus was right. I never said Christians weren't
"Not just an insult, but the truth! For example, IF xtians REALLY Aha, so you admit to the fact that
you are, indeed, insulting xtians.
"Well, excuse me if I hurt YOUR feelings in any way... but I just Well, excuse ME if I didn't make it absolutely clear that I was not
Oh, and I'm not Christian in any way, shape, or form, and I never have Estelendur PS Any insults were, indeed, intentional. If you like, I could write a --
Subject: R u atheis? Date: 1/12/2006 12:22:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me I'm not the most perfect person in the world. and i don't go to church everyday. But I do love Jesus. and you are brtty much gonna go to Hell for this shit right here
Subject: Whoopi Date: 1/10/2006 9:10:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From
Just a quick response! You have an interesting website. The problem that I see is that you fail to consider that religion is basically and extension of the human experience in general. Humans are going to "believe in" something. That belief will influence their choices for good and for bad. One does not have a choice to "not believe" for we all believe in something.
Although some religions overtly brscribe evil (the killing of innocent people such as 911) there are some crazies who manipulate other people using religion as a control method. All in all - non religious fervor far exceeds that of religion. Hitler was no religious zealot. He was an atheist and believed in the survival of the fittest. In fact, he justified his actions by arguing from this angle and millions died.
And, of course, we can consider the great Soviet Union and the millions who perished under its atheistically controlled system. China has followed in the same course. You can't pin the worst human events in history on religion in general and Christians in particular. BTW - How many hospitals have atheists built throughout the world?
Have to be going. Dan
Subject: u damn hypocrite Date: 1/6/2006 8:13:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: jcnot4me@aol.com there's a difference between respectably having your beliefs and going out of your way to try and take down what people have faith in and devote their lives to. if some atheist can say he's offended seeing or hearing about god, then they need to suck it up and accept that people believe different things and that they need to respect that. now i am a christian. u don't see me walking up to my friend who is hindu and telling him all the loopholes and things i disagree with about his religion, why? becuase it hurts people and offends them when you try to pull them apart with something they care about strongly. you act like your the fucking perfect citizen all over your website, but your no better than a nazi or a member of the ku klux clan. how you ask? cuz you are the exact same as some mother fuckin bigot who makes a website against an ethnic group or the same as a neo-nazi who makes and anti-judaism website you dumb fuck. your probably some naive liberal college kid who thinks he's the shit. so go ahead and put a twist to my words to infer that i said something stupid. but put that in your bowl and smoke it you fuckin nazi. best wishes, -Dj Fury
Subject: Re: Mis quote Date: 12/29/2005 12:57:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time Fr Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com Sorry my mistake. I am amazed as how you know so much about something you don't believe in. You never answered my other e-mails about why you hate God and Christians so much. Why do you go up to Christians and "dare" them to visit your site? How is it that you can be a Christian for 20 years then decide you don't believe in God? Why don't you say anything about the athiests who kill people? Why do you insult people when they do not insult you? Why the blazes are you so full of hate? Why do you quote Paul when his idea of the truth and your idea of the truth is very different? Why did you bother me at the coffee place when I did not even say a word to you? Why should I believe any thing you say when all you do is try to pick fights on the internet yet you won't say two words to people in public? Do me a favor the next time you see me in another Starbucks, don't bother me.
Subject: Curious Date: 12/27/2005 2:51:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com You sure are mean and full of insults. I read you were a Christian for 20 years and now you are an Athiest. What happend? Why did you decide to not be a Christian any more? I also read that an e-mail came to you and proposed that Athiests simply shoot envery religious person they encounter then you asked people's opinion. I am curious on what your opinion is on this matter. Why do you hate/dislike/disapprove of/ get annoyed with/ Christians. What did Christians or God or Christ ever do to deserve this kind of treatment? Why don't you put all the horrible things Athiest do to support their cause? Why do you insult so much when people don't insult you. Oh and science cannot prove or disprove the exsistance or non exscistance of God. Subject: What About Date: 12/27/2005 1:30:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com You sure write alot about christian killing people. I must say it is pure sadness when Christians commit vile acts and calaim to be acts or commands by God. However, not one time have you said anything about aithiest who kill Christians. I have heard of aithiest who torture people and kill them for their faith. From what I see in this site, you say nothing about the horros commited by people who do not believe in God. You see Christianity as a foul thing that should be erased from the face of the planet. You don't talk about the good things that Christians do for their fellow man. You missquote scriptures and other Christian material. You mock God and say that Christians are ingnorant, stupid, etc. What is worst of all is that you mock other people's tragedies and parade them like some sort of weapon and trophy for your cause. I say you are no better that those who commit vile acts in the name of God. I see that you must be on some type of crusade if you are willing to go to Christians and "challenge them" to come to your site. You athiests are not perfect beings, you too commit foul acts yet you say that Christians are evil. But like you guys say "what goes around comes around"
Subject: Why do you do it? Date: 12/27/2005 12:08:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: To: JCnot4me@aol.com Hello Just out of plain curiosity, why are you so interested in sharing your "no God" thoughts and giving your cards out to Christians when they will not buy your comments sepecially when they have heard them all before?
I have to admit ~ I was searching for information on Atheism, not because I
am one, but because I wondered what is it that is so intriguing about it? And
then I began reading your information and noticed the swear words used, etc…so
interesting to me. It must be really hard to live a life so full of bitterness –
or rather wanting to point the finger at someone. I’ll admit – throughout life I
wanted someone to blame – someone to yell at – someone to just say “what is
going on?”…then I realized that what I was really searching for was all found
when I realized that I was loved.
Mr. Smith:
Hey there Mark,
Subject: Re: Crusade: Set Free... from JESUS !!! Seems that you have not been set free from Jesus because your life evolves in
theories of how to prove that Jesus never was or is not for you. Surrender would
be easy to say but I think the process/journey deprograming whatever you call it
may increase your messure of faith in the long run. Grace will find you and wow
what a way for God "Intellegent Designer" to love on you.
Subject: message from Paul the aposlte you are going to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!! REPENT before its too late!!! Better yet Don't!!! HEAVEN does not want you!!!!!!!!!! you will feelthe wrath of the most high GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Subject: questions Since you apparently think you know everything,
Subject: JCnot4me.com Wow you appear so old, wrinkled, balding, and full of hate. I bet you are also racist against religious African Americans. Kerry lost, America's becoming more conservative, and liberals are dwindling. How does it feel to be a minority in a nation and world full of religion and faith?
Subject: Answering Christian Stock Arguments...
Hey Mark,
You no good for nothing Atheist!!!! You are angry and sinful and.... A Fool
Says in his heart there is no God!!! Just messin' with ya dude.
From what I have read of your stuff so far,
anger doesn't seem to be your
issue, neither are you purposely distorting
context IMO. I might be a
Christian but I don't cram it down others throats and I emphasize with those
that they have reason not to believe. Christianity is on an individual level
anyway, or at least it should be. Noone else has a right to demand that you
are a heretic that should be burnt at the stake because what we see as logic
or insightful you see as illogical and far fetched. Understood and I respect
you for it.
The thing to remember here though is that there are some things that you see
as complete problems to my faith while I may not see the problem as such a
problem that you see. One of us has to be in denial then right? Not
necessarily, we both may sincerely have our eyes open looking at the same
thing but see it from two points of view.
Like an example. The Atheist questions authorship of the Bible, or
especially the topic of innerancy. These both brsent a reasonable doubt that
maybe not every detail in the Bible is completely accurate in its entirety
or that some things we judge based on our own modern understanding without a
clue as to what the culture and historical facts are of the era. So many of
us are judging a series of documents based on our understanding of the world
today.
Explaining away someone's faith in Jesus or the Creator is not as simple as
the story of Kissing Hank's Ass!:
http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php
Nor is it so simple as to state that
the Resurrection or Ascension of Christ couldn't have happened because there
is a conflict in the number of days of which to travel to the location.
Maybe for you this becomes such a dilemma that it argues reason. However,
just because a few words or details are wrong, or just because there are a
few stories told by different Gospel writers doesn't automatically
necessitate that neither of these "eyewitnesses" can't be trusted. Even our
own Justice System in the US doesn't even go to such extremes as to call
both eyewitnesses liars and throw their testimony from the record.
Am I trying to prove to you that Christianity is right? This is not my
motivation Mark, you have already made your decisions and have the right to
make such based upon your own reasoning. You have the right to accept or
deny Christ and I have no right to tell you what to do. I don't believe in
aggressive Evangelical Christianity just like I don't believe in aggressive
evangelical Atheism. It's all a decision that only you can make on your own.
The only thing I hope to prove to you is that not all Christians are in
denial, some of us really have looked beyond what our bracher tells us, or
what the mainstream Christian world view tell us and think for ourselves. I
believe that there are many good responses to Atheists out there and at the
same time too I believe that Atheists have asked some great questions that
deserve a little bit more of a reasonable answer then what anyone wants to
brsent.
The thing that frustrates me is when an Atheist goes to extremes in proving
his point and never gives the Christian the reasonable doubt on subjects or
goes to extremes to overlook reasonableness and fairness. Like making
uneducated statements that shows ignorance of historical
perspectives, customs or philosophical viewpoints of the ancient world and
dismissing these items when they are brsented.
I don't know you but I thought that I would drop you a line and brsent you
some of my perspectives.
I wish you all the best Mark!
Sincerely,
James
Subject: You site I laughed when looking at your site. You are so misinformed and uneducated about Christianity. You pick and choose certain things or pictures to make it look like that is how all Christians are. Also when you TRY to use scriptures thinking you can trap us. Why don’t you display the whole chapter so people can see what it really is about? Even Satan tried to use scripture against Jesus when tempting him. You think you are smart because you a dealing with a lot of Christians who are still learning. Why don’t you challenge brachers one on one and put those on your website. I doubt you will most of them would walk all over you. I love how you use Bush. If he wasn’t a Christian and the war still happened you wouldn’t even say anything. Since he happens to be a Christian you just love using that as a crutch for your agenda. Why don’t you call up Billy Graham or James Dobson, Bob Larson, Josh McDowell and debate with them? Don’t go to wackos like Benny Hinn or Robert Tilton to try to prove your point. I also love how you used Bush’s daughter against him. Who said they were Christians anyway? You assume that just bc their father is. They do have a choice you know. Just bc their father is does not mean they are. Oh one more thing when you are on you witch hunt, I bet you ONLY look for negative action of other “Christians” to slander your crap. I don’t see one good deed that true Christians do. Hmmm I wonder why you wouldn’t post them. It would hurt your site that’s why. If you like to reply, reply to livinxsacrifice@aol.com or IM sometime.
In Christ Gabe
Subject: Your view of biblegod God created the world a perfect place – man messed it up by sinning. Now we live with the consequences everyday. Yes, God could have brvented the tragedies your website shows through pictures, but He doesn’t always choose to intervene. He set in place some natural laws (gravity, weather, etc.) that work independently, unless He intervenes. I know He loves me though because He sent His own Son to die so I don’t have to pay throughout eternity for my sins. I’ll be praying for you. I hope you’ll take the time to actually get to know the God of the Bible – it must be very awful to live your life, but there is help. Jesus Christ is for everyone who accepts Him.
Sandra Jackson, Tennessee
Subject: Re: website In reference to your news story about militant catholics in Northern Ireland.
Subject: An ati-christian website!
Hi there,
I just saw your website. I find it really interesting that you spend so
If anything right now, atheism is more popular. Atheism doesn't answer
There's one thing we could agree
I happened to stumble on your website and was intrigued by how much time you
put into constructing this website. I perceive that you have had negative
experiences with some christians or people claiming to be christians. I would
hate for you to have formed opinions about Jesus Christ from people. I feel that
you are a thinking person....
Subject: (no subject) I clicked onto your website thinking you were just a little misled, but now I realize you're not, you just never knew Jesus. I understand your stance, I used to feel that way. But once you know Jesus, well, you'll know. Forget religion. Trust in Jesus. Prayers your way... Eric - a fellow orange countian.
You are an ignorent biggot. I'm Christian...I'm anti-Bush...I'm not a
Hi Mark,
Subject: I am so sorry... Date: 8/3/2005 1:52:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From:
To the individual(s) who operate this website:
Yes, thank you for your "response" to my email. I need to address the details in my letter which you chose to address, and again, I reiterate that I find your tone angry and hateful.
hey mark,
***Christianity and the Republican Party are NOT now and never WERE your
friends.
Subject: bull shit
Jesus is real Mark Smith here} Thanks for showing me how real the "love of Jesus" is. With Christians like you around, who needs Atheists??? Keep up the good work!
Subject: Burden of Proof
Hello.
I am a Christian, and happened to look at your page several months
ago. While there is much that could be said, I recently came across a
correspondence that you had with another Christian by the name of Corey
Washington.
While I happen to agree with you that Mr. Washington seemed either
unable or unwilling to grasp and/or interact with your perspective, I have a
question:
You said many times during the course of that exchange that
in the absence of evidence for X,
disbelief in X is the logical position. If we called this position
Y, then my question is simply this. Is there any evidence for Y? If so,
what is it? If not, then wouldn't we be obligated to jettison belief in Y as
well?
My own position is that Y is in fact true, but I believe it to be
true because I think it can be deduced from the text of the Bible (which I
also believe to be true). I'm just wondering how an atheist might try to
justify it. Thanks, and kudos on the very interesting and thought-provoking
site. I look forward to reading more.
Michael
Mark Smith here} So what you're advocating is that it's ok to believe in things which lack any evidence whatsoever, if I am correctly translating your geeklish???
8/7/2005
Hello Mark. Thanks for the reply.
Actually, as I said (though I may have been unclear), I agree
with you that when there is no evidence for something, then disbelief in
that something is rationally justified. I called this principle Y, and am
asking what an atheist such as yourself would cite as evidence for the truth
of Y. Personally, I accept Y because I believe it to be the teaching of the
Bible (which I also accept). Obviously, that avenue is not open to you.
Thus, I wonder still: What is the evidence for Y? And if there is no
evidence for it, aren't we obligated (by its own stipulation) to disbelieve
it?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Michael
Mark Smith here} Your email address is Rabbit4JC... and I think I know what that means: you create verbal "rabbit trails" to try to sucker people down, so you can ambush them with crap from Van Till or Bahnson or some such idiot. Sorry, homey don't play that game. Go sucker someone else. And while you're at it, using that Philosophy degree at McDonalds, I'll take a chocolate shake. PS: you didn't even try to answer my simple question. The conversation will halt every time you do that.
8/10/2005 Hello Mark. Thanks once again for the reply.
Why on earth would you talk about god? He is the reasone you are here
and breathing, the reason you have a family, a life, a heart. Jesus DIED
for you and you hate him as well as the holy church who followsw
him?!?!? You will burn in HELL! You are a disgrace to all on earth. Kids
could come to your site by mistake as did I, and find toatly wrong, and
stuoid statements against god? You should be on your knees praying for
forgivness!!!!
-Write back if you feel in neccisarry. Brad Mark Smith here} I think if anyone needs forgiveness it's you, for having slept thru all the English classes in school. If you are going to call me "stupid" at LEAST learn how to SPELL the word "stupid", or else it makes YOU look stupid, ok???
i have a question- what's your motivation for doing all this? What has made
you so bitter? What did this God ever do to you personally? And don't say
anything about anyone else. I want your answer. What happened to
make you so angry?
Mark Smith here} I think this is about the billionth time some xtian has thought he was all original and asked this question. It's an ignorant question, and I've already dealt with it in my website. Go see:
Subj: tJen. Date: 4/8/2005 5:44:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: (A.A.J Zijleman) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
yo meat you know your theory sucks and not a little bite no like fucking hard on your dik l know you are a game of the evile but l'm not afraid off you and your bulllshit coush l've God on my side
danks for lishening
tJen.
Brandon Davis 4-6-05
Subj: you Date: 4/6/2005 5:22:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Brandon Davis) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
I'm just gonna tell you straight up, you assume too much. You assume that you know how the Bible is to be interbrted. That's not to say that there is a right or wrong way to interbrt the Bible, but since you say that you were a Christian for, what was it, about twenty years? You should know or have heard that one can't truly understand the Bible until the Holy Spirit reveals it to that person.
Mark Smith here} Let’s see if I get this straight, Brando, for after all- I don’t have any spirits living in me.
What you’re actually saying, if I understand you, is that a person can’t know the Bible until AFTER they have the “holy spirit”. But your own Bible says that one doesn’t get the “holy spirit” until after they are “saved”. So, putting it all together, this is what you are saying: One must for no good reason whatsoever decide for the hell of it to become a Christian so that, after having become a Christian, he can get the holy spirit within him so that he can THEN find some good reasons, after the fact, for having did what he did.
Wow! What a spontaneous way to live one’s life! I think I’ll use that SAME ��logic” and, without any reasons or thinking, jump off a tall building, hoping to find on the way down a good reason for having done so. Yes, that’s very good advice, Brandon, very good.
Now, since you no longer call yourself a Christian, and you have shunned the Holy Spirit from your life, there is no way you can truly understand the Bible, and therefore you cannot say that pastors, ministers, whatever you want to call them, are speaking in some strange, bullcrap tongue because you are no longer being enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Also, when you put verses of scripture on your website, you interbrt them for their "surface value" and according to most of this country, the Bible is all metaphorical. This I do not believe because the bible was meant for people to understand and the only times metaphors are used in the Bible is when Jesus is telling a parable and, sometimes, in prophesies. An example: "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." - Matt. 24:34. I know you've heard the race argument but here's another you can consider. The nation of Israel was reformed in 1948. One argument I've heard is that the generation mentioned is the next generation after the formation of this nation. I don't know, it's not my thought, but if I may say so myself, it sounds rather reasonable. "Always eat at a meal because you never know when your next one will be." - John Gordon, Timeline
Mark Smith here} The argument used to be one generation from 1948, a generation being about 25 or 30 years, which would put Jesus back on earth around 1973. Seeing how he didn’t show up (what a surprise, eh???), are they NOW changing the argument??? How clever! If the arrow looks like it’s going to miss the target, why, just pick up the target and run it in front of the arrow till you get a bullseye!
Subj: Trying Too Hard Date: 4/3/2005 12:03:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Paul and Londa Nerland) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
My friend,
I think you���re trying too hard. Are you trying to convince others…or yourself?
Mark Smith here} I just can’t win with Christians- NOTHING ever satisfies them. If I document and totally prove my case, then I’m “trying too hard”. If I were just like them, i.e. using no evidence whatsoever when I said “Jesus lied” they’d say I wasn’t proving my point as all I made was a hot-air claim. So IF I assert and prove, I’m “trying too hard” and if I merely assert, then I’m just “merely asserting”. At times like this, it IS necessary for us non-Christians to remind ourselves that WE are the sane ones here, and just because the culture we live in has its head up its ass doesn’t mean we are crazy and they are sane.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Eric Walter 4-4-05
Subj: JCnot4me.com Date: 4/4/2005 3:38:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Eric Walters) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Dear Mr. Smith,
Hello :-). If I may, I'd first like to apologize for the length of this email. I know it's a lot to read but I hope what I have here may be of some interest to you. I'm not writing to yell at you or anything so there's no need to worry about that. I was reading through your website and I found a few. well, the best word for it I guess is inconsistencies. A few things had me a little confused; others I felt hurt your credibility. So, as a reader I'm giving you some feedback to help possibly improve your site. I won't lie to you, I'm a Christian, but please don't let that keep you from reading. Believe it or not I have a number of Atheist and Agnostic friends so I try to keep an open mind about things. I hope you will do the same. I've listed a few quotes from the site that I noticed might weaken your platform. Why am I doing this? Honestly, I'd like you to show me why you feel the way you do. I think you can accomplish that on your website but I'll be blunt and say I don't think you succeeded in some areas. I got the "Jesus lied" section, that I understood. So that section's not included below. But there were a few others that made me scratch my head.
1. "They bitch and moan in their paranoia about the imaginary persecution THEY get."
- So how would you say your website views Christians? If it's not meant to be derogatory or brjudice, some of the wording may need a little revising. It can be taken to be very hateful toward the Christian religion. If it's meant to be hateful, then you've contributed to the persecution you claim doesn't exist.
Mark Smith here} Excuse me, but criticizing or even hating Christians is NOT “persecution”. As I mentioned (and you left out), you Christians used to get crucified- and that upsidedown- back when Nero ruled the Roman Empire. Now THAT was persecution, and most certainly grounds to complain. But me refuting your hair-brained “logic” and “argument” is NOT persecution- it’s called DISAGREEMENT, something you modern Christians aren’t used to receiving. And as for hating, even if I did hate Christians (which I don’t; some of my best friends and relatives are Christians), that also is not persecution.
2. "Biblegod knew the good thing to do, but did it not. By the Bible's own definition of SIN in James 4:17 (KJV) Biblegod sinned, and is therefore a sinner"
- A bunch of maniacs chose to crash those planes. That's where that whole concept of free will comes in. God didn't force them into killing thousands of people. They did it on their own. Unless of course I've missed the point you were trying to make in which case you may need a little more clarification there.
Mark Smith here} I thought it was clear already. Biblegod himself said that “he who knows the right thing to do and does it not, to him it is sin”, then Biblegod did NOT do the right thing, therefore by his own standard, he’s a sinner. What does free will have to do with it?
Besides, you Christians evidence your lack of belief in “Free Will” every time you pray, for when you pray you are trying to persuade your gods to intervene in the affairs of mortals, are you not? If it is true that “Prayers Changes Things”, then your whole objection of “Biblegod can’t interfere with free will” is hogwash. If it is NOT true that “Prayer Changes Things” then you all need to sit down and shut up already. Which is it???
3. "They pick and choose the things they like, and leave behind things they don't."
- True, this is a common problem amongst Christian sects, but it seems you've done the same with Bible quotes. Some of them it seems like you haven't read the full passage or chapter. You've taken the text out of context and made it into whatever you wanted it to say, not what it actually meant or is generally interbrted to mean. Try offering more background information on the passages you quote to further prove your point. If you don't, it won't hold any credibility to intelligent readers and all you'll be left with is a bunch of lemmings that don't think for themselves (which is the whole point of your site right? To think, not blindly follow?).
Mark Smith here} You know Eric, I’ve gotten this “out of context” knee-jerk reaction soooooo many times, I don’t bother with it anymore- I set up a whole web page dealing with “Christian Stock Arguments” that you can go to and read my response to that. All I’d like to point out here is that, AS ALWAYS, you and EVERY OTHER CHRISTIAN THAT ACCUSES ME of that crime never, never, never ever never back up said claim with any evidence of my having done so. Once again, drive-by theology.
And since YOU seem to believe it’s ok to throw out accusations without evidence, I guess you wouldn’t be a hypocrite and object if I do the same to you, so here goes: Eric, you wear green silk panties while jacking off to pictures of the pope. There- how did you like that accusation? No evidence, no logic, no reasoning, just a bare naked accusation.
4. " "I am going to say that I've accepted Christ into my life. And that's a true statement." . Bush was merely brTENDING so he'd get the vote of gullible Fundies." - How is that brtending if he also said it was a true statement?
Mark Smith here} Gee, I don’t know… maybe it was the way the whole section was worded, as if he were in the middle of rehearsing his lines- or didn’t you catch that drift? Or maybe it was the way Bush sounds like he’s trying to convince himself of it here? Or maybe it was the statements BEFORE and the statements AFTER this one that let the average reader conclude that Bush was not sincere in his professions of faith????
5. ". yet all the Republican Party and many of its constituents can do is hiss, spit and honk at some elitist, liberal bastion that exists only in their imaginations and hate-filled rhetoric." . "They just about run the whole damn country and have the media living in fear of offending [them]"
Christians don't run the country, that's evident by the fact that our society isn't a Christian form of Iraq (for example). - There's a lot of things Liberals have a hold of, like the right to abortion, homosexuality etc. that Christians can't come close to touching. Also, going through life as a growing Christian, the majority of hatred I witnessed was aimed at Conservatives or Christians (then again, maybe it's just a Chicago thing).
Mark Smith here} Eric, did you happen to notice that I did NOT say that Christians DO “run the whole damn country” but rather that “they just about run the whole damn country”??? Do the words ���just about” mean anything to you? Maybe you should slow down and understand what you’re about to react to, instead of just popping off.
When simply exbrssing an opinion or belief gets a guy verbally ostracized (in a society which supports free speech) or physically assaulted, that's appalling no matter whom the guilty party is. However, it has been my experience that while true Christians (notice I say TRUE Christians, meaning those that not only know what a Christian is but also know how to live like one) will remain civil and try to be as polite as possible in the face of bigotry, it is not uncommon to be confronted with anger, hatred, and in many cases violence from a Liberal or Atheist group. As I said, it occurs on both sides, but in my experience it is a lot easier to be threatened by a liberal for exbrssing one's own views than it is to be threatened by a conservative.
Mark Smith here} I beg to differ here. It is the ���followers” of the “Prince of Peace” that have managed to blow up abortion clinics in every state of the union, not Atheists. And where, pray tell, are any Atheist groups out there trying to force legislation thru to outlaw what you Christians do the way you Christians are trying to outlaw what gays do? At least gays do it in private- more than I can say for you Christians.
I am told "how dare you say that" or "that is wrong, that is plain wrong" or my favorite "you're such an idiot". All I said was "I believe Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior". Why did I say it? Because I was asked what I believed. I believe it to be true. I never said "you're going to Hell" or "this is the truth, everything else you hear is wrong". I make no brsumptions like that. I always say "I believe" because it's simply that, a belief.
Mark Smith here} You know that old saying about the rotten apple spoiling the bunch? Likewise, if you (a nice Christian) are being treated shitty it’s probably because there are a whole bunch of NOT nice Christians out there pissing people off. You are, as Bush would say, collateral damage.
So why is it I am met with hostility when I exbrss my beliefs but I am told I HAVE to accept other people's beliefs even if they conflict with mine? I've never understood that one. I can and will be tolerant of those beliefs, but I should never be forced to accept them. After all, I've never forced others to accept my beliefs. People can tell me they disagree and that's fine but that's as far as it should go. Someone truly tolerant of other people's beliefs wouldn't need to go any further and wouldn't throw angry words. They would be respectful of the other person's views. Sadly, I've only experienced that twice in my life. I know many who have not been as fortunate. This comment was quite long, I apologize. But I feel I should say something when someone believes hatred toward the Christian faith "exists only in [our] imaginations". I am on the receiving end of it nearly every day.
6. On *Sunday morning, January 9, 2005, yet another medical clinic, this time in Olympia, Washington, was fire bombed
- Never never never never would a true Christian do such a thing. It's as horrible for Christians to see tragedies like this happen as it is for anyone else.
Mark Smith here} What you’re really implying is that TRUE Christians are perfect, you are implying that when a TRUE Christian does something unchristian he ceases to be a Christian a billionth of a second prior (as Biblegod knows the future he can do this). Biblegod is up there and erases his name from the Book of Life just in time to ensure that NO “true Christians” ever do anything bad.
Eric- think about these things before you parrot them! Either “true Christians” fuck up just like everybody else --OR-- “true Christians” are perfect and never make mistakes. It’s one or the other, and I hope you know enough of the Bible to know which one it is.
People don't deserve to be killed over issues such as these. The Christian belief is that if God sees fit to punish someone for the sins they've committed in this world it will be done. Blowing up a building full of people (including the embryos/children intended on being saved in the first place) can never be justified. I know what you're thinking; capitol punishment right? The death penalty can be tricky when it comes to the Bible's interbrtation. The most common argument is that Christians are hypocritical braching "thou shall not kill" and then pushing for the death penalty. I can understand this however the word "kill" used in the Bible directly translated means murder. Thou shall not murder. The term murder is understood to mean to take the life of an innocent. Take this along with Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed" and other such versus, the general belief becomes that while it is wrong to murder an innocent person, it is acceptable to end the life of a person guilty of taking the lives of others.
7. "My apologies to Ray Charles (may he rest in peace), who until 1979 was publicly banned from performing in Georgia because he wouldn't cooperate with that state's stand on segregation"
- I wasn't quite sure what to think of this comment. It seemed out of place. If you're making the point that all Christians are racist then fine but it needs a little more explanation. Either way, I'd suggest dropping it. It would be a false statement/insinuation anyway, most people know that. Racists exist everywhere in all areas and it's certainly not an ideal upheld by true Christians.
Mark Smith here} Again with the “True Christian” crap. Eric- you might be too young to remember, but there were T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D-S of churches in the south with MILLIONS of “True Christians” who firmly believed in and supported segregation. Before you comment on history, study it a little.
8. "A survey conducted by Cornell University "found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties."* Once again, we see the blatant HYPOCRISY of Fundy Christians. They bitch and moan in their paranoia about the imaginary persecution THEY get, yet given the chance will jump at the first opportunity to persecute someone else for real. As the Apostle Paul said, you who teach others not to steal, do YOU steal?"
- That's a brtty good point there; I just thought I'd say that. Although, like I said before, persecution against Christians isn't as imaginary as one may think, the fact that Republicans and religious people would be more apt to deprive another person of their civil liberties is disturbing. But why do they feel this way? It can't simply be their political and religious beliefs. If it were, I'd be one to agree with them. Anyway you should look into that, find a reason for the trend. Also, I know the "science" of statistics. You can use it to show/prove just about anything you want. So I don't necessarily trust statistics. Double check the population sample (if you can) for the poll. A lot of times polls can introduce unwanted (or wanted) bias, no matter what the subject.
I think that's good enough for an email. If you've bothered to read this far I thank you. Most wouldn't. I've tried my best to remain civil and I'm sorry if at any point I have not been. If you would like to write to me as well, please feel free to. Thank you for your time :-)
- Eric W.
Eric Walter 4-4-05
Subj: JCnot4me.com Date: 4/4/2005 3:38:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Eric Walters) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Dear Mr. Smith,
Hello :-). If I may, I'd first like to apologize for the length of this email. I know it's a lot to read but I hope what I have here may be of some interest to you. I'm not writing to yell at you or anything so there's no need to worry about that. I was reading through your website and I found a few. well, the best word for it I guess is inconsistencies. A few things had me a little confused; others I felt hurt your credibility. So, as a reader I'm giving you some feedback to help possibly improve your site. I won't lie to you, I'm a Christian, but please don't let that keep you from reading. Believe it or not I have a number of Atheist and Agnostic friends so I try to keep an open mind about things. I hope you will do the same. I've listed a few quotes from the site that I noticed might weaken your platform. Why am I doing this? Honestly, I'd like you to show me why you feel the way you do. I think you can accomplish that on your website but I'll be blunt and say I don't think you succeeded in some areas. I got the "Jesus lied" section, that I understood. So that section's not included below. But there were a few others that made me scratch my head.
1. "They bitch and moan in their paranoia about the imaginary persecution THEY get."
- So how would you say your website views Christians? If it's not meant to be derogatory or brjudice, some of the wording may need a little revising. It can be taken to be very hateful toward the Christian religion. If it's meant to be hateful, then you've contributed to the persecution you claim doesn't exist.
Mark Smith here} Excuse me, but criticizing or even hating Christians is NOT “persecution”. As I mentioned (and you left out), you Christians used to get crucified- and that upsidedown- back when Nero ruled the Roman Empire. Now THAT was persecution, and most certainly grounds to complain. But me refuting your hair-brained “logic” and “argument” is NOT persecution- it’s called DISAGREEMENT, something you modern Christians aren’t used to receiving. And as for hating, even if I did hate Christians (which I don’t; some of my best friends and relatives are Christians), that also is not persecution.
2. "Biblegod knew the good thing to do, but did it not. By the Bible's own definition of SIN in James 4:17 (KJV) Biblegod sinned, and is therefore a sinner"
- A bunch of maniacs chose to crash those planes. That's where that whole concept of free will comes in. God didn't force them into killing thousands of people. They did it on their own. Unless of course I've missed the point you were trying to make in which case you may need a little more clarification there.
Mark Smith here} I thought it was clear already. Biblegod himself said that “he who knows the right thing to do and does it not, to him it is sin”, then Biblegod did NOT do the right thing, therefore by his own standard, he’s a sinner. What does free will have to do with it?
Besides, you Christians evidence your lack of belief in “Free Will” every time you pray, for when you pray you are trying to persuade your gods to intervene in the affairs of mortals, are you not? If it is true that ��Prayers Changes Things”, then your whole objection of “Biblegod can’t interfere with free will” is hogwash. If it is NOT true that “Prayer Changes Things” then you all need to sit down and shut up already. Which is it???
3. "They pick and choose the things they like, and leave behind things they don't."
- True, this is a common problem amongst Christian sects, but it seems you've done the same with Bible quotes. Some of them it seems like you haven't read the full passage or chapter. You've taken the text out of context and made it into whatever you wanted it to say, not what it actually meant or is generally interbrted to mean. Try offering more background information on the passages you quote to further prove your point. If you don't, it won't hold any credibility to intelligent readers and all you'll be left with is a bunch of lemmings that don't think for themselves (which is the whole point of your site right? To think, not blindly follow?).
Mark Smith here} You know Eric, I’ve gotten this “out of context” knee-jerk reaction soooooo many times, I don’t bother with it anymore- I set up a whole web page dealing with “Christian Stock Arguments” that you can go to and read my response to that. All I’d like to point out here is that, AS ALWAYS, you and EVERY OTHER CHRISTIAN THAT ACCUSES ME of that crime never, never, never ever never back up said claim with any evidence of my having done so. Once again, drive-by theology.
And since YOU seem to believe it’s ok to throw out accusations without evidence, I guess you wouldn’t be a hypocrite and object if I do the same to you, so here goes: Eric, you wear green silk panties while jacking off to pictures of the pope. There- how did you like that accusation? No evidence, no logic, no reasoning, just a bare naked accusation.
4. " "I am going to say that I've accepted Christ into my life. And that's a true statement." . Bush was merely brTENDING so he'd get the vote of gullible Fundies." - How is that brtending if he also said it was a true statement?
Mark Smith here} Gee, I don’t know… maybe it was the way the whole section was worded, as if he were in the middle of rehearsing his lines- or didn’t you catch that drift? Or maybe it was the way Bush sounds like he’s trying to convince himself of it here? Or maybe it was the statements BEFORE and the statements AFTER this one that let the average reader conclude that Bush was not sincere in his professions of faith????
5. ". yet all the Republican Party and many of its constituents can do is hiss, spit and honk at some elitist, liberal bastion that exists only in their imaginations and hate-filled rhetoric." . "They just about run the whole damn country and have the media living in fear of offending [them]"
Christians don't run the country, that's evident by the fact that our society isn't a Christian form of Iraq (for example). - There's a lot of things Liberals have a hold of, like the right to abortion, homosexuality etc. that Christians can't come close to touching. Also, going through life as a growing Christian, the majority of hatred I witnessed was aimed at Conservatives or Christians (then again, maybe it's just a Chicago thing).
Mark Smith here} Eric, did you happen to notice that I did NOT say that Christians DO “run the whole damn country” but rather that “they just about run the whole damn country”??? Do the words “just about” mean anything to you? Maybe you should slow down and understand what you’re about to react to, instead of just popping off.
When simply exbrssing an opinion or belief gets a guy verbally ostracized (in a society which supports free speech) or physically assaulted, that's appalling no matter whom the guilty party is. However, it has been my experience that while true Christians (notice I say TRUE Christians, meaning those that not only know what a Christian is but also know how to live like one) will remain civil and try to be as polite as possible in the face of bigotry, it is not uncommon to be confronted with anger, hatred, and in many cases violence from a Liberal or Atheist group. As I said, it occurs on both sides, but in my experience it is a lot easier to be threatened by a liberal for exbrssing one's own views than it is to be threatened by a conservative.
Mark Smith here} I beg to differ here. It is the “followers” of the “Prince of Peace” that have managed to blow up abortion clinics in every state of the union, not Atheists. And where, pray tell, are any Atheist groups out there trying to force legislation thru to outlaw what you Christians do the way you Christians are trying to outlaw what gays do? At least gays do it in private- more than I can say for you Christians.
I am told "how dare you say that" or "that is wrong, that is plain wrong" or my favorite "you're such an idiot". All I said was "I believe Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior". Why did I say it? Because I was asked what I believed. I believe it to be true. I never said "you're going to Hell" or "this is the truth, everything else you hear is wrong". I make no brsumptions like that. I always say "I believe" because it's simply that, a belief.
Mark Smith here} You know that old saying about the rotten apple spoiling the bunch? Likewise, if you (a nice Christian) are being treated shitty it’s probably because there are a whole bunch of NOT nice Christians out there pissing people off. You are, as Bush would say, collateral damage.
So why is it I am met with hostility when I exbrss my beliefs but I am told I HAVE to accept other people's beliefs even if they conflict with mine? I've never understood that one. I can and will be tolerant of those beliefs, but I should never be forced to accept them. After all, I've never forced others to accept my beliefs. People can tell me they disagree and that's fine but that's as far as it should go. Someone truly tolerant of other people's beliefs wouldn't need to go any further and wouldn't throw angry words. They would be respectful of the other person's views. Sadly, I've only experienced that twice in my life. I know many who have not been as fortunate. This comment was quite long, I apologize. But I feel I should say something when someone believes hatred toward the Christian faith "exists only in [our] imaginations". I am on the receiving end of it nearly every day.
6. On *Sunday morning, January 9, 2005, yet another medical clinic, this time in Olympia, Washington, was fire bombed
- Never never never never would a true Christian do such a thing. It's as horrible for Christians to see tragedies like this happen as it is for anyone else.
Mark Smith here} What you’re really implying is that TRUE Christians are perfect, you are implying that when a TRUE Christian does something unchristian he ceases to be a Christian a billionth of a second prior (as Biblegod knows the future he can do this). Biblegod is up there and erases his name from the Book of Life just in time to ensure that NO “true Christians” ever do anything bad.
Eric- think about these things before you parrot them! Either “true Christians” fuck up just like everybody else --OR-- ���true Christians” are perfect and never make mistakes. It’s one or the other, and I hope you know enough of the Bible to know which one it is.
People don't deserve to be killed over issues such as these. The Christian belief is that if God sees fit to punish someone for the sins they've committed in this world it will be done. Blowing up a building full of people (including the embryos/children intended on being saved in the first place) can never be justified. I know what you're thinking; capitol punishment right? The death penalty can be tricky when it comes to the Bible's interbrtation. The most common argument is that Christians are hypocritical braching "thou shall not kill" and then pushing for the death penalty. I can understand this however the word "kill" used in the Bible directly translated means murder. Thou shall not murder. The term murder is understood to mean to take the life of an innocent. Take this along with Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed" and other such versus, the general belief becomes that while it is wrong to murder an innocent person, it is acceptable to end the life of a person guilty of taking the lives of others.
7. "My apologies to Ray Charles (may he rest in peace), who until 1979 was publicly banned from performing in Georgia because he wouldn't cooperate with that state's stand on segregation"
- I wasn't quite sure what to think of this comment. It seemed out of place. If you're making the point that all Christians are racist then fine but it needs a little more explanation. Either way, I'd suggest dropping it. It would be a false statement/insinuation anyway, most people know that. Racists exist everywhere in all areas and it's certainly not an ideal upheld by true Christians.
Mark Smith here} Again with the “True Christian” crap. Eric- you might be too young to remember, but there were T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D-S of churches in the south with MILLIONS of “True Christians” who firmly believed in and supported segregation. Before you comment on history, study it a little.
8. "A survey conducted by Cornell University "found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties."* Once again, we see the blatant HYPOCRISY of Fundy Christians. They bitch and moan in their paranoia about the imaginary persecution THEY get, yet given the chance will jump at the first opportunity to persecute someone else for real. As the Apostle Paul said, you who teach others not to steal, do YOU steal?"
- That's a brtty good point there; I just thought I'd say that. Although, like I said before, persecution against Christians isn't as imaginary as one may think, the fact that Republicans and religious people would be more apt to deprive another person of their civil liberties is disturbing. But why do they feel this way? It can't simply be their political and religious beliefs. If it were, I'd be one to agree with them. Anyway you should look into that, find a reason for the trend. Also, I know the "science" of statistics. You can use it to show/prove just about anything you want. So I don't necessarily trust statistics. Double check the population sample (if you can) for the poll. A lot of times polls can introduce unwanted (or wanted) bias, no matter what the subject.
I think that's good enough for an email. If you've bothered to read this far I thank you. Most wouldn't. I've tried my best to remain civil and I'm sorry if at any point I have not been. If you would like to write to me as well, please feel free to. Thank you for your time :-)
- Eric W.
Subj: Trying Too Hard Date: 4/3/2005 12:03:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: (Paul and Londa Nerland) To: JCnot4me@aol.com
My friend, I think you’re trying too hard. Are you trying to convince others…or yourself?
Subject: defending nothing hi, interesting website but the fact of the matter is it sounds to me like
you are defending what you believe in which is nothing! how can you defend
NOTHING!!!! you obviously have too much time on your hands that you could be
putting to a greater cause like helping charities or less fortunate families or
kids. terrible shame!!!!!!!!!!!
Subject: hmmm Date: 2/8/2005 4:52:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: radicisdoxa@yahoo.com Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com Hahahahahahahahahaha....... your website is soooo full
Subject: TRUTH Hey your WebSite sucks it was God who did creationism plus I stick-up for that fellow christian Jerry,I am one too,plus you cant deprogram me at all.
Subject: Your website... Date: 12/29/2004 9:20:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: psalmsfan@msn.com Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Hey there,
I hope you are having a nice day! Wish we would get some snow. If its going
to be cold, let it snow, not just be cold. LOL
I am a born-again Christian, saved by the blood of Christ and His grace He
has bestowed on me through the gift of salvation. I am sure you are aware
your webpage statistics on the divorce rate/lying etc. was recently on a
popular witnessing TV program. (I can send you a video of it if you want,
just let me know, its non-copyrighted.) The episode was on True and False
Conversion. I saw a post on a message board I go to showing the link to the
info on the web (your page) and I was curious so I went and its very
interesting. But you have to agree,...it doesn't mean Christianity is
"false". Consider the flip side of the percentages you had. For every 40%
that are in your favor (if you wanna call it that), there is another 60%
saying the exact opposite.
The Bible speaks of people falling away from the faith in the last days,
false doctrines (resulting in false conversions, etc.), erroneous teachings,
FALSE CONVERTS, heresies, and so on...which no doubt lead to some of the
statistics you have reported on your webpage. (Granted, Christians still
sin, like me. We are not "good", just forgiven.) So many professing
Christians, if they are not told the true gospel as in the Bible and have
been subjected to the items I mentioned above, then they would be in that
group. So in all reality, the stats that you feel support the thought of "JC
not 4 me" because of the stats, actually in truth do the exact
opposite! You are actually supporting the Bible's divine
inspiration, as opposed to shooting it down. They show that the Bible is
prophetically accurate, amongst other divine proofs of inspiration and
reliability. You are just re-alliterating what God said thousands of years
ago.
Imagine I told you a few years ago that there would come a time in your near
future where you would become ill with cancer or some fatal disease. You'd
scratch your head but keep it in mind. Well, by golly you get cancer a few
years later! Is that proof that I didn't know what I was talking about? Of
course not...it is actually proof I did know what I was
talking about! The same goes with God, and when you put other undisputable
proofs in the Bible with it also, the only logical conclusion is
that the Bile is the complete and authoritative Word of God.
I am willing to speak about this or anything else with you if you are
willing to email back when you get the time. My boss is an agnostic (which
is derived from Latin I believe and is where we get the word "ignorant"
from) and we speak on stuff such as this regularly.
Mediate on this thought: A man with an experience (me) is NOT at
the mercy of a man with an argument (you).
Have a great day and I look forward to your email. P.S. Pray for snow on the east coast here for me! --Randy
Subject: Jesus, lol ! Date: 12/29/2004 4:48:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time From: Reply To: To: JCnot4me@aol.com Namase !
Subject: Just a thought... Mark,
Subject: card left
Mark,
My car was parked at the Party
City shopping center on Beach Blvd and you left a card under our "Catholics
Against Kerry" sticker. I was curious as to what you had to say. I also saw
this as an opportunity to understand how different people think and reason
as to their conclusions on life. As I read some of your writings I thought
them very cute. "Bush is a liar", he started an immoral war, and you want
some truth. This is very funny stuff for someone that doesn't believe in
God. Ha Ha Ha! Jean-Paul Satre would laugh at your ideas and rhetoric. If
their is no God, then there is only one truth, "might is right". You should
at least be consistent in your thought or lack thereof.
As for your Catholic article,
you still cling to many of your protestant ideas even in your atheism. I'm
not
much of a typist, so I will stop
here. I would enjoy talking to you further but it will have to be face to
face.
I live in H.B. Maybe we can meet
for coffee. My cell # is (xxx)-xxx-xxxx. I look forward to talking with you.
In Christ,
Tony
Subject: Your Web Site
Hello Mark
One comment that you wrote caught my attention in particular:
Subject: Belief? I read through your anti-christian page with interest. Strictly speaking, I could hardly call it "Atheist" because you spend so long talking about God that I thought I'd logged into a Christian page by mistake.
It would seem that you are actually searching hard for a firm reason not to believe in God (as Christians perceive Him.) Maybe you did believe in Him at one stage and now have a lifestyle that possibly falls foul of the ten commandments. Sorry if this is jumping the gun but I see it so many times. Some person wants to have a free lifestyle but is a bit scared that there might be someone keeping score. The easy solution is to brtend that the scorekeeper doesn't exist. We only have a limited amount of life so why not "enjoy" what's left of it?
Subject: Your Web Site Hello Mark
The first thing that came to mind when I opened your web site and began
reading was, wow I've never seen such
anger toward Christianity. I was thinking that
maybe we could chat a little and
talk about our different views on religion as friends. What do you say?
One comment that you wrote caught my attention in particular:
Subject: Re: Jehovah Unmasked
Date: 10/12/2004 3:38:07 PM Pacific Standard Time From:
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Subject: to set free if you want to put something on the internet put up something nice and keep opinions to yourself.
Subject: What Happened? I got to talking with someone about your website and we've come to this conclusion (it's not that obvious to me). I think something happened to you and it seems that God turned his back on you so instead of keeping your faith, you trashed it. Am I right? If not, I'm sorry, but if I am, what happened? I don't know your story and I probably never will, but I DO know that you were a Christian for some 20 years (according to what I've read on your site). I just wonder what could have possibly happened for you to turn your back on God? No Christian just randomly decides "I think I'm going to be an Atheist from now on," something happens to them that makes them doubt the existence of God and then they slowly drift away and before you know it, they're an Atheist. So I ask you: WHAT HAPPENED? What made you doubt the existence of God that led to you becoming an Atheist?
Subject: Hurricanes and Florida
You are outlandish in your connection of Florida with the last election in
which brsident Bush was duly elected by the electoral college. Everything
was done to make sure the right person was elected. Even the liberal brss,
several news sources, looked into it with no documentation of any wrongdoing
on the part of any officials, or that the outcome would have been changed.
If you want to consider some real facts, then try this.
You refer to 1,000 soldiers who have
died in defense of the U.S. in Iraq.
How about the 3,000 who died on 9/11/01, or have you forgotten? How about
40 million babies murdered since Roe v. Wade in 1973? Do they matter? If
not, what if you had been conceived since 1973, maybe you would not be able
to keep up your inane web-site? Certainly, you can reason better than to
blame God for 9/11 or Iraq or Hurricane Charley or Frances? You are an
atheist anyway. Why would you even think to blame "God" for anything, since
you claim to "know" that there is no God.
You have a "verse by verse" explanation of
Matthew 24 on your web-site.
I would suggest you take it off, since that is one of the best fulfilled
prophecies Jesus gave to his disciples. Fact is, that, not even one,
Christian died in the destruction of Jerusalem, which is what Matthew 24
deals with down through verse 35. Try to explain that away! Warning served
its purpose, huh? They got out of Jerusalem, while thousands of Jews died
from the Roman General Titus, as ordered by Emperor Vespasian. You seem to
read a lot, but are unwilling to think of the Bible for what it is. The
Word of God is from God. You seem to want to treat it like it is man's own
writing. Inspiration answers many of your ridiculous knocks against it.
Try thinking for yourself. Ingersoll tried and died with doubt on his
lips. He was less sure as death's door opened. I hope you will not wait
until that time in your own journey toward death. It is appointed once to
die and then -- judgment! (Hebrews 9:27)
Subject: GROW UP......
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT COMPARING THE brSIDENT TO APES IS
PROOF THE HE IS
Subject: 2 paths
what if you're are wrong. there are two paths according to God, Him or hell. since God is the only God who says that he created us, and that if we do not believe that He sent His one and only Son to die for us, (since the wages of our sin is death) then we choose hell. if we choose life eternal, we are not free to do as we please, just forgiven. my heart and my choices are changing daily because I love Jesus and He loves me. I do not participate in a religion, I participate in a relationship with Jesus. God is not religion. i challenge you to pray, and ask God to reveal His truth to you and read John chapter 3 in the Bible (which can be found on the net), so that you can make an informed choice and excercise your free will using wisdom. hope to see you in Heaven.
Subject: Atheism I am sorry for your obvious pain. I
cannot possibly know what has taken place in your life to make you so bitter and
easily deceived by Satan. However, I do know that the only opportunity
for you to find peace and hope is Christ.
I will pray that you see reason and
logic in your pursuit for truth. Atheism is a virtual impossibility,
since it means "to know that there is no God", which unless you have traveled
the universe, you cannot scientifically be sure to know anything. Unless you
believe the universe operates by laws or principles that are universal. These
laws or universal principles are the very proof of God's creation anyway.
Dear Mark
Do you honestly believe that we can be traveling
over 66,000 miles an hour as you read this e-mail message and not believe in
a higher intelligence?
Do you understand what a system is?
Solar System
Respiratory System
Skeletal System
Muscular System
Circulatory System
Endocrine System
Digestive System
Reproductive System
Lymphatic System
Nervous System
Eco System
On and On and On
It takes intelligence to create a system.
The Apostle Paul was an atheist before he met the
author of life.I seriously doubt you were ever a Christian. No person in
there right mind that ever had a good relationship with Jesus Christ would
ever turn back.
Your problem is you never did know him. You still
have time!
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Carey
I came to your website hoping for proven contradictions to the Christian religion, but instead i got nothing but unjust and invalid opinions. I am usually open minded and am of no particular religion other then that of non-denominational; but your statements were no more then pointless exagerated sentences made out to look like an educated statement. I would suggest that the next time you try to write a webstie have your claims with proven information and not just pointless slather.
I've never heard such amateurish arguments against Christianity in all my
life.
If one truly thinks Christianity is just man made myth (which I don't really
think you do! Your weak, bombastic arguments betray you!) then they would
give logical, historical, researched evidence against historical
Christianity. Congratulations meat head! You have managed to totally (I
don't think you have the education or intelligence to see the true evidence)
ignore 2000 years of apologetics, offered by men much more intelligent and
open minded than you....and also millions of converts, (which, by the way is
also solid evidence that the Gospel is true). Hey! Anyone can be negative
about anything and can and can give phoney, poorly thought out reasons
against anything. The truth will be revealed one minute after your death.
Or do you doubt that will finally silence your foolishness? Trust me
friend, you are just anger or at least in great need of attention, for God
will not be mocked! Sidney Menough
Hey "I evolved from a monkey" atheist, You know there's a reason for the lack of responses to your attacks on Christianity on your website. Most Christians don't know about your website! You need to find a way to make more Christians aware of it. I talk to so many people who don't know about all these atheist websites, and how if they knew they would just chew you up and your little "God is/is not jealous" jokes of the day. Really, why bother reading the comics, I could just read your website, its pure comedy. I mean seriously though, atheism is a dying concept, reduced to a few small percentage of the population, so who really pays attention to them? Although it might be a Muslim objective to either convert or kill an "infidel", the essence of Christianity is to allow atheists to practice their freedom to believe what they want. And many Christians choose to follow the sage advice that one should not throw pearls to the swine, and so hence, you ain't got that many responses on your website. Furthermore, if a 6th grader has trouble understanding Newton's Laws of Motion, you wouldn't expect a PhD Physicist to go prove it to him, using all this fancy differential calculus, right? Not only would the 6th grader's underdeveloped mind brvent him from understanding any of it, but the physicist would probably run out of patience, and find something more noble to do! You are the 6th grader. Grow up man. Take some responsibility. I'm mean seriously look at yourself. How pathetic, trying to run away from God? I mean you think you can do it? Really now. I trully feel sorry for you. Reduced to believeing you evolved from an organic soup of algae, cause your puny little brain only accepts physical matter to exist. (AWWWW, poor baby, someone needs to show him a picture of God for him to believe in Him) Seriously, every Christian I've forwarded your website to have just laughed. No one wants to waste their time, esp. once they see the quality of responses you give to the people who do actually try reasoning with you. Oh well, Set yourself free to go to hell! (If that's what you want) Hey its your choice. "I don't believe in God cause He's not infinite energy as Christians claim." Mark
Ha Ha Ha It's hilarious now that I think about it...
Thanks Mark for all the laughs, Alex
I really think that your site fills a good purpose, I will in the future bring it up in discussions to show that also atheists kan be fanatics. This is by far the most ignorant, irrational and dumb defence for atheism I have ever encountered on the net. Surely my atheist friends feel the same. The most disturbing part is when you try to do theology when you certainly don't seem qualified, at all. Not because your are an atheist, but because you lack the knowledge in greek and hebrew, and also basic bible knowledge that is required for serious studies. I really think that fanatics in the religious world is a big problem, perhaps one of our biggest. But still I think you try to attack the wrong things. For example, bibles tudies have been made for such a long time and it is possible to get a coherent image of god. Your wordtwisting is not original nor has it ever been successfull, scince the argumentation is very weak. As I said I think your a fighting the wrong war. If you ever were serious with your mission... / Andreas from Sweden, Stockholm
Mark Smith here} Please note that Andreas doesn't bring up a single specific issue, just a blanket one size fits all blurb. This email could have been sent to just about any web site out there. This is an example that it's always easier to just say "you're wrong" than to actually have to do the homework and PROVE it. This type of "logic" is as convincing as an Atheist telling a Christian "You're all wrong. Change your mind".
"...do something constructive- help me to battle them by writing a check
to me, Mark Smith,
So get off your LAZY asses and mail this "soldier" a check right now! My
web site amused you? You think I'm doing some good? Good! Now send me some
money!!!"
(My web site amused you?)You a soldier--your a big
joke--punk.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO VISIT ME IN MY BACK
YARD FOR MAYBE 30 MIN.\?
YOU THEN WOULD'NT NEED ANY MONEY!
thanks for the email back and in such short time but that aint too good an
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